Litter louts: "Pay up or face tougher fines" (From Basildon Recorder)

Do the thousands of advertising hoardings, none with planning permission, that are placed all around the borough count as litter?

A pity Southend dosent do the same,
before we drown in litter.

and dogs shyte....send out patrols at night to catch the culprits., maybe the spy car could do the dog shyte night shift then would get extra use out of it.

Park on Warners Bridge - they'll make McMillions. What possesses some of those w@nkers to go to a drive through, eat in the car park and chuck their rubbish out on the way home?

Who are these muppets and why would anyone give them the correct name ?

whateverhappened wrote:
Who are these muppets and why would anyone give them the correct name ?

It amazes me how people are stupid enough to. I really dont know why you would. Like I said in my above post, you are not obliged.

I saw them hiding round corners outside basildon hospital once

not that i litter but if i did my name is shoe bury-cyclist

For clarification it is an offence to fail to give your name and address or to give a false one to an authorised officer (they were authorised) for a littering fixed penalty notice. See section 7 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005. The fine is the same as littering.

abd123 wrote:
For clarification it is an offence to fail to give your name and address or to give a false one to an authorised officer (they were authorised) for a littering fixed penalty notice. See section 7 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005. The fine is the same as littering.

HAHA. Very funny. Its a civil matter, not a criminal matter. So you would be part of the stupid crew then that would give correct information. Best thing is when these thugs in uniforms approach you to not say anything atall. They cant touch you or arrest you. So stop getting scared over 2 idiots in black unifom.

DrSpiffSpaffington wrote:
I saw them hiding round corners outside basildon hospital once

There cowards

firedog wrote:
A pity Southend dosent do the same,
before we drown in litter.

Oh yes please!!!! That is one thing the Council could do which I would support wholeheartedly - fine anyone seen (or caught on CCTV) dropping litter, fag ends or chewing gum along with those disgusting scumbags who let their dogs crap all over the High Street. I saw one tramplike figure let his dog do an enormous crap by the side of Santander a few weeks ago, right in the middle of the pavement and an absolute nightmare for any unsuspecting child or someone with impaired vision. This specimen of unrivalled scabby ugliness then tied the dog to a lamp post and for a split second I was incredulous as I thought he was going to pull out a little plastic bag and clear it up. My incredulity was well-founded however - he just left the dog tied up and barking loudly while he dashed across the road into the fish and chip shop! Just one example which sticks in my mind - it's hard to walk down Sarfend "City of Culture" High Street without witnessing something like that. Fine them, heavily!! If they can afford to keep a dog and buy fish and chips they can afford to pay the fines, which can then go to pay for some things which the rest of us might benefit from such as hanging baskets of flowers instead of piles of dog **** to avoid everywhere! Rant over!

Start by seizing their hoodies and trainers, have a jolly incineration party, then a heavy fine, they will soon learn........

Basildon_Boy wrote:

abd123 wrote:
For clarification it is an offence to fail to give your name and address or to give a false one to an authorised officer (they were authorised) for a littering fixed penalty notice. See section 7 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005. The fine is the same as littering.

HAHA. Very funny. Its a civil matter, not a criminal matter. So you would be part of the stupid crew then that would give correct information. Best thing is when these thugs in uniforms approach you to not say anything atall. They cant touch you or arrest you. So stop getting scared over 2 idiots in black unifom.

How about encouraging people not to drop litter in the first place rather than encouraging them how to evade punishment?!

Make me mad seeing people chucking there wrappers from car windows, or ignorantly dropping wrappers. Use a bin!
Do you really want to live in a waste bin?

BASILBRUSH wrote:

Basildon_Boy wrote:

abd123 wrote:
For clarification it is an offence to fail to give your name and address or to give a false one to an authorised officer (they were authorised) for a littering fixed penalty notice. See section 7 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005. The fine is the same as littering.

HAHA. Very funny. Its a civil matter, not a criminal matter. So you would be part of the stupid crew then that would give correct information. Best thing is when these thugs in uniforms approach you to not say anything atall. They cant touch you or arrest you. So stop getting scared over 2 idiots in black unifom.

How about encouraging people not to drop litter in the first place rather than encouraging them how to evade punishment?!

Make me mad seeing people chucking there wrappers from car windows, or ignorantly dropping wrappers. Use a bin!
Do you really want to live in a waste bin?

Next time I'll proof read before posting!!! Reading the Echo for too long.
Makes...
their not there

heartbeat wrote:

firedog wrote:
A pity Southend dosent do the same,
before we drown in litter.

Oh yes please!!!! That is one thing the Council could do which I would support wholeheartedly - fine anyone seen (or caught on CCTV) dropping litter, fag ends or chewing gum along with those disgusting scumbags who let their dogs crap all over the High Street. I saw one tramplike figure let his dog do an enormous crap by the side of Santander a few weeks ago, right in the middle of the pavement and an absolute nightmare for any unsuspecting child or someone with impaired vision. This specimen of unrivalled scabby ugliness then tied the dog to a lamp post and for a split second I was incredulous as I thought he was going to pull out a little plastic bag and clear it up. My incredulity was well-founded however - he just left the dog tied up and barking loudly while he dashed across the road into the fish and chip shop! Just one example which sticks in my mind - it's hard to walk down Sarfend "City of Culture" High Street without witnessing something like that. Fine them, heavily!! If they can afford to keep a dog and buy fish and chips they can afford to pay the fines, which can then go to pay for some things which the rest of us might benefit from such as hanging baskets of flowers instead of piles of dog **** to avoid everywhere! Rant over!

I do kind of agree about dog poo because that is disgusting, no one is expected to pick up dog poo, except the owner. However, when it comes to a cigarette end, chocolate wrapper or chewing gum etc.. I don't think the council have got no right atall to fine people. Afterall we have street cleaners on our streets, and there payed to pick it up. it's just another money making scheme. spy cars, council tax increase, and now this. Rip off Britain for sure.

Maybe, just maybe, if the Council put some litter bins out, and regularly emptied them, people might use them. It would make sense to either have fast food outlets provide them or to certainly make them responsible for emptying them when full!

Basildon_Boy wrote:

abd123 wrote:
For clarification it is an offence to fail to give your name and address or to give a false one to an authorised officer (they were authorised) for a littering fixed penalty notice. See section 7 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005. The fine is the same as littering.

HAHA. Very funny. Its a civil matter, not a criminal matter. So you would be part of the stupid crew then that would give correct information. Best thing is when these thugs in uniforms approach you to not say anything atall. They cant touch you or arrest you. So stop getting scared over 2 idiots in black unifom.

As already said, Basildon_Boy please read Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005 particularly section 19:

“(8A)If an authorised officer of a litter authority proposes to give a person a notice under this section, the officer may require the person to give him his name and address. .
(8B)A person commits an offence if— .
(a)he fails to give his name and address when required to do so under subsection (8A) above, or .
(b)he gives a false or inaccurate name or address in response to a requirement under that subsection.

should someone really want to make a fuss then the litter patrol people could use s.3 criminal law act to detail someone:
(1)A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large.

Police could then be called and make an arrest if name and address is not given or issue a fixed penalty if it is.



anyway, i dont see why these wardens were axed. they issued the tickets and people didnt pay them. so take the offenders to court and recoup your money! keep dishing the tickets out - cleaner streets and money in the councils pocket. it only falls down if the council cant be bothered to pursue the offenders.

iknoweverything wrote:

Basildon_Boy wrote:

abd123 wrote:
For clarification it is an offence to fail to give your name and address or to give a false one to an authorised officer (they were authorised) for a littering fixed penalty notice. See section 7 Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005. The fine is the same as littering.

HAHA. Very funny. Its a civil matter, not a criminal matter. So you would be part of the stupid crew then that would give correct information. Best thing is when these thugs in uniforms approach you to not say anything atall. They cant touch you or arrest you. So stop getting scared over 2 idiots in black unifom.

As already said, Basildon_Boy please read Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005 particularly section 19:

“(8A)If an authorised officer of a litter authority proposes to give a person a notice under this section, the officer may require the person to give him his name and address. .
(8B)A person commits an offence if— .
(a)he fails to give his name and address when required to do so under subsection (8A) above, or .
(b)he gives a false or inaccurate name or address in response to a requirement under that subsection.

should someone really want to make a fuss then the litter patrol people could use s.3 criminal law act to detail someone:
(1)A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large.

Police could then be called and make an arrest if name and address is not given or issue a fixed penalty if it is.



anyway, i dont see why these wardens were axed. they issued the tickets and people didnt pay them. so take the offenders to court and recoup your money! keep dishing the tickets out - cleaner streets and money in the councils pocket. it only falls down if the council cant be bothered to pursue the offenders.

We are taking the people to court and are recouping our costs. We have 85 more cases to go to court yet which will cover our costs if we get similar results to the above.

However unfortunately it's not viable to keep going with the trial and continuing to have to take hundreds of people to court every few months just to keep it cost neutral.