Disabled hoarder facing eviction over her clutter

Basildon Recorder: Disabled hoarder facing eviction over her clutter Disabled hoarder facing eviction over her clutter

A DISABLED hoarder is being kicked out of her home in the run up to Christmas for having too much clutter.

Vivienne Davis, 64, is expecting bailiffs to descend on her one-bedroom flat in West Road, Westcliff, tomorrow, after failing to convince her landlord to give her more time to move most of her possessions.

She has so much stuff, she hasn’t been able to get into her bedroom in five years, instead sleeping upright in a chair in the lounge.

Ms Davis, who lives on benefits, has goods crammed into the lounge, kitchen and toilet, with more piled up in the communal hallway.

She said: “I think it is liveable, and would like to just stay, but the landlord says it is a fire risk, so it has to go.

“I can clear as I go, but need more time because my health is so poor.

How can they throw me out with nowhere else before Christmas, when it is freezing?”

She is pinning her hopes on an eleventh-hour county court application to postpone her eviction until the end of January, but fears the worst after failing to heed previous warnings from landlord Kingsfield Investment.

Ms Davis has previously been turfed out of two other properties for having too much stuff. She has to use a nebuliser to help her breathing, after undergoing surgery for throat cancer 12 years ago.

She hopes the court will accept her disability makes it hard to move much of her property into a garage which has been rented by a friend.

The artist and percussionist accepts her landlord has given her several chances to clean up.

She told the court that since last September, both her sister and a friend, who usually helps her, have both been diagnosed with cancer.

She also suffered a head injury in March and her son, a self-harmer, stabbed himself in the stomach, his father died and her 91-year-old mother was in hospital after breaking her hip.

Ms David wrote to the court to say: “I need to arrange delivery and collection of all my lifelong personal possessions.”

Kevin Cruiks, of letting agent Ayers & Cruiks, said it had made many attempts to help Ms Davis.

It had spoken to social services and the Family Mosiac housing association, seeking help for her to get her to clear her possessions.

He added tenants had a duty of care for their homes and jamming up so much of her flat and the communal area created a fire risk.

He said: “We have no wish to evict any tenant, but we have to take action. Despite the efforts of these two bodies and Ms Davis’s friends, she has not cleared any significant volume.

The courts have already deferred the eviction date to give her time to make alternative arrangements, which, to our knowledge, she hasn’t done.”

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8:26am Thu 28 Nov 13

Russ13 says...

Let's face it, this isn't something that's happened overnight is it?

If she hasn't been able to get into her bedroom for 5 years then there's no excuses, she's ruining someone else's property and needs to go.

Using "it's nearly Christmas" as a reason not to evict her shouldn't hold any weight. Not saying for one minute she deserves to be put out on the streets without a roof over her head but she has brought this on herself and not for the first time it would seem.
Let's face it, this isn't something that's happened overnight is it? If she hasn't been able to get into her bedroom for 5 years then there's no excuses, she's ruining someone else's property and needs to go. Using "it's nearly Christmas" as a reason not to evict her shouldn't hold any weight. Not saying for one minute she deserves to be put out on the streets without a roof over her head but she has brought this on herself and not for the first time it would seem. Russ13

8:47am Thu 28 Nov 13

Eric the Red says...

This is a serious mental illness, and she needs help.
This is a serious mental illness, and she needs help. Eric the Red

9:09am Thu 28 Nov 13

Russ13 says...

Eric the Red wrote:
This is a serious mental illness, and she needs help.
Agreed but it's not fair on the owner of the property or the other people living in the block who are having to put up with the mess and fire hazard
[quote][p][bold]Eric the Red[/bold] wrote: This is a serious mental illness, and she needs help.[/p][/quote]Agreed but it's not fair on the owner of the property or the other people living in the block who are having to put up with the mess and fire hazard Russ13

9:50am Thu 28 Nov 13

Qwerty1982 says...

Absolute parasite on society, clear your crap out and stop playing hard done by. Everything that is wrong with society today! No sympathy what so ever!
Absolute parasite on society, clear your crap out and stop playing hard done by. Everything that is wrong with society today! No sympathy what so ever! Qwerty1982

10:27am Thu 28 Nov 13

Howard Cháse says...

Peace and goodwill to all (wo)men. Merry Christmas.....
Peace and goodwill to all (wo)men. Merry Christmas..... Howard Cháse

10:52am Thu 28 Nov 13

Kim Gandy says...

Howard Cháse wrote:
Peace and goodwill to all (wo)men. Merry Christmas.....
Not on this website. Never seen such a bunch of judgemental and holier than thou sanctimonious individuals in all my life.

What gets me is that everything that is printed in this newspaper - or any other for that matter - is digested by the gullible, who then vent their spleen on people they don't even know.. It's like politics. How many people commenting here have ever attended a council meeting, stood for election, or taken any action beyond bellyaching on here? Yes politicians and public figures are up for criticism particularly if they don't do their jobs or in the case of celebrities are only famous for being famous.

How many have ever had serious problems in their lives, things that go beyond the norm, overwhelming things that sometimes stop them in their tracks.

I do my fair share of criticism on here but let's face it, with the deluge of cr@p I've endured for the past two years - much of it from people I have never met and fuelled by those I have actually helped out in the past - I think I more than deserve a rant.

Yes this woman has a problem but I don't see her as a "parasite" or harmful in any way. Looking at the picture she looks like an eccentric lady but possibly one of those kinds of people who is quite generous of spirit. There is no hardness or arrogance in her face, not like some of the posturing I see on here from people who proclaim themselves to be criminal and proud of it.

I am sick and tired of seeing innocent people -both inside and outside the political community - hacked to pieces in public by a baying mob - but this time not even a baying mob with the courage to come face to face with their victims but who hide behind pseudonyms and a keyboard.

This is exactly like a pond full of piranha. Chuck an innocent victim in and see them ripped to shreds. The nastiness is palpable.

Yes this is a fire hazard and can pose a risk to others as such and yes this lady does need to address the problem but if she is disabled and others are unable to help, why not, instead of castigating, you lot go round and help her then?

I'm just brassed off with the vicious, nasty attitude on this website.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh and don't bother to reply because you know nine times out of ten I don't bother to come back and read your predictable and pernicious comments.
[quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Peace and goodwill to all (wo)men. Merry Christmas.....[/p][/quote]Not on this website. Never seen such a bunch of judgemental and holier than thou sanctimonious individuals in all my life. What gets me is that everything that is printed in this newspaper - or any other for that matter - is digested by the gullible, who then vent their spleen on people they don't even know.. It's like politics. How many people commenting here have ever attended a council meeting, stood for election, or taken any action beyond bellyaching on here? Yes politicians and public figures are up for criticism particularly if they don't do their jobs or in the case of celebrities are only famous for being famous. How many have ever had serious problems in their lives, things that go beyond the norm, overwhelming things that sometimes stop them in their tracks. I do my fair share of criticism on here but let's face it, with the deluge of cr@p I've endured for the past two years - much of it from people I have never met and fuelled by those I have actually helped out in the past - I think I more than deserve a rant. Yes this woman has a problem but I don't see her as a "parasite" or harmful in any way. Looking at the picture she looks like an eccentric lady but possibly one of those kinds of people who is quite generous of spirit. There is no hardness or arrogance in her face, not like some of the posturing I see on here from people who proclaim themselves to be criminal and proud of it. I am sick and tired of seeing innocent people -both inside and outside the political community - hacked to pieces in public by a baying mob - but this time not even a baying mob with the courage to come face to face with their victims but who hide behind pseudonyms and a keyboard. This is exactly like a pond full of piranha. Chuck an innocent victim in and see them ripped to shreds. The nastiness is palpable. Yes this is a fire hazard and can pose a risk to others as such and yes this lady does need to address the problem but if she is disabled and others are unable to help, why not, instead of castigating, you lot go round and help her then? I'm just brassed off with the vicious, nasty attitude on this website. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh and don't bother to reply because you know nine times out of ten I don't bother to come back and read your predictable and pernicious comments. Kim Gandy

11:16am Thu 28 Nov 13

InTheKnowOk says...

At the end of the day, you can't help someone who isn't willing to help themselves ...
At the end of the day, you can't help someone who isn't willing to help themselves ... InTheKnowOk

12:55pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Russ13 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Howard Cháse wrote: Peace and goodwill to all (wo)men. Merry Christmas.....
Not on this website. Never seen such a bunch of judgemental and holier than thou sanctimonious individuals in all my life. What gets me is that everything that is printed in this newspaper - or any other for that matter - is digested by the gullible, who then vent their spleen on people they don't even know.. It's like politics. How many people commenting here have ever attended a council meeting, stood for election, or taken any action beyond bellyaching on here? Yes politicians and public figures are up for criticism particularly if they don't do their jobs or in the case of celebrities are only famous for being famous. How many have ever had serious problems in their lives, things that go beyond the norm, overwhelming things that sometimes stop them in their tracks. I do my fair share of criticism on here but let's face it, with the deluge of cr@p I've endured for the past two years - much of it from people I have never met and fuelled by those I have actually helped out in the past - I think I more than deserve a rant. Yes this woman has a problem but I don't see her as a "parasite" or harmful in any way. Looking at the picture she looks like an eccentric lady but possibly one of those kinds of people who is quite generous of spirit. There is no hardness or arrogance in her face, not like some of the posturing I see on here from people who proclaim themselves to be criminal and proud of it. I am sick and tired of seeing innocent people -both inside and outside the political community - hacked to pieces in public by a baying mob - but this time not even a baying mob with the courage to come face to face with their victims but who hide behind pseudonyms and a keyboard. This is exactly like a pond full of piranha. Chuck an innocent victim in and see them ripped to shreds. The nastiness is palpable. Yes this is a fire hazard and can pose a risk to others as such and yes this lady does need to address the problem but if she is disabled and others are unable to help, why not, instead of castigating, you lot go round and help her then? I'm just brassed off with the vicious, nasty attitude on this website. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh and don't bother to reply because you know nine times out of ten I don't bother to come back and read your predictable and pernicious comments.
Whilst I agree with a small amount of what you say, the facts (as presented in the article) state that she hasn't been able to even make it to her bedroom for 5 YEARS!!!

This isl ong before her sister and friend that normally help her got diagnosed with cancer (I genuinely hope they make a full recovery), long before she also suffered a head injury, long before her son stabbed himself in the stomach, long before his father died and her 91-year-old mother was in hospital after breaking her hip.

There seems to have been a pretty decent network of friends and family their that *could* have helped over the last 5 years but didn't, the question should be why not?

I think she should think herself lucky that the landlord's taken it this long to take action. I'd dread to think of the money it's going to cost to put that flat back into a condition that's fit for human habitation!
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howard Cháse[/bold] wrote: Peace and goodwill to all (wo)men. Merry Christmas.....[/p][/quote]Not on this website. Never seen such a bunch of judgemental and holier than thou sanctimonious individuals in all my life. What gets me is that everything that is printed in this newspaper - or any other for that matter - is digested by the gullible, who then vent their spleen on people they don't even know.. It's like politics. How many people commenting here have ever attended a council meeting, stood for election, or taken any action beyond bellyaching on here? Yes politicians and public figures are up for criticism particularly if they don't do their jobs or in the case of celebrities are only famous for being famous. How many have ever had serious problems in their lives, things that go beyond the norm, overwhelming things that sometimes stop them in their tracks. I do my fair share of criticism on here but let's face it, with the deluge of cr@p I've endured for the past two years - much of it from people I have never met and fuelled by those I have actually helped out in the past - I think I more than deserve a rant. Yes this woman has a problem but I don't see her as a "parasite" or harmful in any way. Looking at the picture she looks like an eccentric lady but possibly one of those kinds of people who is quite generous of spirit. There is no hardness or arrogance in her face, not like some of the posturing I see on here from people who proclaim themselves to be criminal and proud of it. I am sick and tired of seeing innocent people -both inside and outside the political community - hacked to pieces in public by a baying mob - but this time not even a baying mob with the courage to come face to face with their victims but who hide behind pseudonyms and a keyboard. This is exactly like a pond full of piranha. Chuck an innocent victim in and see them ripped to shreds. The nastiness is palpable. Yes this is a fire hazard and can pose a risk to others as such and yes this lady does need to address the problem but if she is disabled and others are unable to help, why not, instead of castigating, you lot go round and help her then? I'm just brassed off with the vicious, nasty attitude on this website. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Oh and don't bother to reply because you know nine times out of ten I don't bother to come back and read your predictable and pernicious comments.[/p][/quote]Whilst I agree with a small amount of what you say, the facts (as presented in the article) state that she hasn't been able to even make it to her bedroom for 5 YEARS!!! This isl ong before her sister and friend that normally help her got diagnosed with cancer (I genuinely hope they make a full recovery), long before she also suffered a head injury, long before her son stabbed himself in the stomach, long before his father died and her 91-year-old mother was in hospital after breaking her hip. There seems to have been a pretty decent network of friends and family their that *could* have helped over the last 5 years but didn't, the question should be why not? I think she should think herself lucky that the landlord's taken it this long to take action. I'd dread to think of the money it's going to cost to put that flat back into a condition that's fit for human habitation! Russ13

2:12pm Thu 28 Nov 13

whataday says...

Sounds like she desparately needs some form of counselling and/or other help
Sounds like she desparately needs some form of counselling and/or other help whataday

3:51pm Thu 28 Nov 13

MattBell says...

Qwerty1982 wrote:
Absolute parasite on society, clear your crap out and stop playing hard done by. Everything that is wrong with society today! No sympathy what so ever!
I throw that comment back to you.
[quote][p][bold]Qwerty1982[/bold] wrote: Absolute parasite on society, clear your crap out and stop playing hard done by. Everything that is wrong with society today! No sympathy what so ever![/p][/quote]I throw that comment back to you. MattBell

7:18pm Thu 28 Nov 13

floorplan says...

MattBell wrote:
Qwerty1982 wrote:
Absolute parasite on society, clear your crap out and stop playing hard done by. Everything that is wrong with society today! No sympathy what so ever!
I throw that comment back to you.
I feel that your lack of empathy is highly disturbing and the only parasites of society are those who do not help others or sympathise with others in need.

As for the comments regarding other people who live in the same block of flats, I live in this block of flats and she is harmless as a person and respect for our landlords trying to find her help. Though our goverment supporting those with mental illnesses is a whole other debate. People are too easy to judge, but I guess it's a human trait that will never change.

In the words of Bob Marley - "Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect -and I don't live to be-but before you start pointing fingers... make sure you hands are clean!" I'm not religious and I dont have strong beliefs but I feel that your lack of empathy is highly disturbing and the only parasites of society are those who do not help others or sympathise with others in need.

As for the comments regarding other people who live in the same block of flats, I live in this block of flats and she is harmless as a person and respect for our landlords trying to find her help. Though our goverment and mental illness is a whole other debate. People are too easy to judge, but I guess it's a human trait that will never change.

In the words of Bob Marley - "Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect -and I don't live to be-but before you start pointing fingers... make sure you hands are clean! "
Think those who judge should judge themselves before they judge others and put intoperspective what it is that fulfils ones life, then they will see hemselves before they judge others then see
[quote][p][bold]MattBell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Qwerty1982[/bold] wrote: Absolute parasite on society, clear your crap out and stop playing hard done by. Everything that is wrong with society today! No sympathy what so ever![/p][/quote]I throw that comment back to you.[/p][/quote]I feel that your lack of empathy is highly disturbing and the only parasites of society are those who do not help others or sympathise with others in need. As for the comments regarding other people who live in the same block of flats, I live in this block of flats and she is harmless as a person and respect for our landlords trying to find her help. Though our goverment supporting those with mental illnesses is a whole other debate. People are too easy to judge, but I guess it's a human trait that will never change. In the words of Bob Marley - "Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect -and I don't live to be-but before you start pointing fingers... make sure you hands are clean!" I'm not religious and I dont have strong beliefs but I feel that your lack of empathy is highly disturbing and the only parasites of society are those who do not help others or sympathise with others in need. As for the comments regarding other people who live in the same block of flats, I live in this block of flats and she is harmless as a person and respect for our landlords trying to find her help. Though our goverment and mental illness is a whole other debate. People are too easy to judge, but I guess it's a human trait that will never change. In the words of Bob Marley - "Who are you to judge the life I live? I know I'm not perfect -and I don't live to be-but before you start pointing fingers... make sure you hands are clean! " Think those who judge should judge themselves before they judge others and put intoperspective what it is that fulfils ones life, then they will see hemselves before they judge others then see floorplan

8:42pm Thu 28 Nov 13

Tich25 says...

I have had deallings with many hoarders some who just cant see things going to waste others who are just to lazy to move things. The lazy ones are the ones that dont deserve any help but the others need help. This lady appears to be the type that wont help herself when help is offered so therefore I have no sympathy as she is her own worst enemy
I have had deallings with many hoarders some who just cant see things going to waste others who are just to lazy to move things. The lazy ones are the ones that dont deserve any help but the others need help. This lady appears to be the type that wont help herself when help is offered so therefore I have no sympathy as she is her own worst enemy Tich25

5:47am Fri 29 Nov 13

essex bad boy says...

I for one will offer to help, I too have issues with keeping things too long, I am calling on anyone else that would help this poor soul, I for one would make runs to the tip for her, and assist where I could so she would have a nice home again, The mind that is injured is a hard thing to handle, I too need help, none is offered when I need it, but would still help another out.

Ask me how I would take the stuff to the dump? anyone? on my mobility scooter, I too am disabled through injury and recently too, so I know how hard it is for her, I hope none of you slaters ever get like us, ill in the mind and disabled god forbid should you end up like us
I for one will offer to help, I too have issues with keeping things too long, I am calling on anyone else that would help this poor soul, I for one would make runs to the tip for her, and assist where I could so she would have a nice home again, The mind that is injured is a hard thing to handle, I too need help, none is offered when I need it, but would still help another out. Ask me how I would take the stuff to the dump? anyone? on my mobility scooter, I too am disabled through injury and recently too, so I know how hard it is for her, I hope none of you slaters ever get like us, ill in the mind and disabled god forbid should you end up like us essex bad boy

9:29am Fri 29 Nov 13

I-say-you-say says...

essex bad boy wrote:
I for one will offer to help, I too have issues with keeping things too long, I am calling on anyone else that would help this poor soul, I for one would make runs to the tip for her, and assist where I could so she would have a nice home again, The mind that is injured is a hard thing to handle, I too need help, none is offered when I need it, but would still help another out. Ask me how I would take the stuff to the dump? anyone? on my mobility scooter, I too am disabled through injury and recently too, so I know how hard it is for her, I hope none of you slaters ever get like us, ill in the mind and disabled god forbid should you end up like us
I would offer, however I do not believe tip runs are the problem - it is quite clear Ms Davis has no intention of removing her "lifelong possessions" but simply putting them somewhere else until she can bring them back.

I understand that she has had problems in her life - many of us do. But that is not an excuse. I appreciate what floorplan is saying about her being a lovely person, but if your home burned to the ground with all your posessions in it because of her hoarding, would you feel she was as nice then? Because I'm sure that would be considered as a wilful act of destruction due to her refusing previous help etc.

Having watched the American programme - Hoarders - I think the hardcore approach used there would be perfect here.
[quote][p][bold]essex bad boy[/bold] wrote: I for one will offer to help, I too have issues with keeping things too long, I am calling on anyone else that would help this poor soul, I for one would make runs to the tip for her, and assist where I could so she would have a nice home again, The mind that is injured is a hard thing to handle, I too need help, none is offered when I need it, but would still help another out. Ask me how I would take the stuff to the dump? anyone? on my mobility scooter, I too am disabled through injury and recently too, so I know how hard it is for her, I hope none of you slaters ever get like us, ill in the mind and disabled god forbid should you end up like us[/p][/quote]I would offer, however I do not believe tip runs are the problem - it is quite clear Ms Davis has no intention of removing her "lifelong possessions" but simply putting them somewhere else until she can bring them back. I understand that she has had problems in her life - many of us do. But that is not an excuse. I appreciate what floorplan is saying about her being a lovely person, but if your home burned to the ground with all your posessions in it because of her hoarding, would you feel she was as nice then? Because I'm sure that would be considered as a wilful act of destruction due to her refusing previous help etc. Having watched the American programme - Hoarders - I think the hardcore approach used there would be perfect here. I-say-you-say

1:46pm Fri 29 Nov 13

Britanniaman says...

I find a lot of old lady's are hoarders the trouble here is she is living in a 1 bedroom flat she has know loft or garage to store it. It looks like cloths and stuff if she was keeping food rubbish then that would be a problem. I could not imagine how much stuff i would have time i reach over 60 years old even now if i moved in to a 1 bed flat i would look like a hoarder.

I think the truth is that the landlord trying find excuse to kick her out so he can rent the flat for more money i know 1 bed flats on west road can rent for £550 to £600 pcm and if she is on DSS they will only pay £200 or £290 pcm as she is over 60 years old on a one bed flat.
I find a lot of old lady's are hoarders the trouble here is she is living in a 1 bedroom flat she has know loft or garage to store it. It looks like cloths and stuff if she was keeping food rubbish then that would be a problem. I could not imagine how much stuff i would have time i reach over 60 years old even now if i moved in to a 1 bed flat i would look like a hoarder. I think the truth is that the landlord trying find excuse to kick her out so he can rent the flat for more money i know 1 bed flats on west road can rent for £550 to £600 pcm and if she is on DSS they will only pay £200 or £290 pcm as she is over 60 years old on a one bed flat. Britanniaman

9:12pm Sun 1 Dec 13

daisytuck says...

Qwerty1982 wrote:
Absolute parasite on society, clear your crap out and stop playing hard done by. Everything that is wrong with society today! No sympathy what so ever!
Qwerty, may neither you or your family ever be struck by mental health problems. Hoarding is a recognised mental health illness, and can only be overcome with counselling and therapy.

Your attitude, and that of others like you, is what is wrong with society today.

The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common, They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.

Methinks you are not one of the very powerful.
[quote][p][bold]Qwerty1982[/bold] wrote: Absolute parasite on society, clear your crap out and stop playing hard done by. Everything that is wrong with society today! No sympathy what so ever![/p][/quote]Qwerty, may neither you or your family ever be struck by mental health problems. Hoarding is a recognised mental health illness, and can only be overcome with counselling and therapy. Your attitude, and that of others like you, is what is wrong with society today. The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common, They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. Methinks you are not one of the very powerful. daisytuck

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