Man aged 46 was bitten by Staffordshire bull terrier in Westcliff home

Basildon Recorder: Updated: Man found dead in house in Valkyrie Road, Westcliff was killed by dog Updated: Man found dead in house in Valkyrie Road, Westcliff was killed by dog

A MAN found dead at a flat in Valkyrie Road, Westcliff, was attacked by a dog, the Echo can reveal.

A post-mortem has revealed that the man found at a property on Valkyrie Road on Tuesday received injuries to his lower body consistent with dog bites prior to his death.

He then suffered internal bleeding following a laceration to the spleen, but it is not yet known how this was caused.

A Staffordshire bull terrier was removed from the address and has since been put down.

A police spokesman said: "There appears to have been an incident whereby the man was bitten by the dog. It’s likely that during this incident the man sustained injury to his back and this then caused damaged to his spleen. It is not possible to say how that back injury was caused.”

Officers were called to the property by the ambulance service at 6.10pm on Tuesday and discovered the man’s body.

Following enquiries at the scene, police arrested a 36-year-old woman from Southend and, after questioning at Southend Police Station, was later released with no further action.

A police cordon was set up at the property for forensic investigation but, although the death was initially treated as suspicious, it is now regarded as non-suspicious.
 

Basildon Recorder:

The police spokesman added: “The death of a man found at a flat in Valkyrie Road, Westcliff, on Tuesday is now not being treated as suspicious.

"Prior to this death, the 46-year-old man from Westcliff received injuries to his lower body consistent with dog bites.

“A Staffordshire bull terrier was removed from the address and has since been put down.

"A post-mortem examination found the initial cause of death to be internal bleeding following a laceration to the spleen. Police will now prepare a file for the coroner."

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4:29pm Wed 8 Jan 14

John Bull 40 says...

R.I.P. whoever you are, a young life ended in tragic circumstances.
R.I.P. whoever you are, a young life ended in tragic circumstances. John Bull 40
  • Score: 56

7:55pm Wed 8 Jan 14

abd123 says...

It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances. abd123
  • Score: -145

9:02am Thu 9 Jan 14

upset says...

abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
When you get to sixty years of age forty is young.
[quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]When you get to sixty years of age forty is young. upset
  • Score: 97

2:42pm Thu 9 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

one of them lovely 'staffs' again..... who would have thought it ?
one of them lovely 'staffs' again..... who would have thought it ? pembury53
  • Score: 9

4:08pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Miss Southchurch says...

abd123 - that is a mean comment. In their 40s... still means that the man died prematurely.RIP
abd123 - that is a mean comment. In their 40s... still means that the man died prematurely.RIP Miss Southchurch
  • Score: 52

4:31pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Devils Advocate says...

What a terrible thing to suffer, at the jaws of one of these killing machines. I hope this poor man is at peace now.
What a terrible thing to suffer, at the jaws of one of these killing machines. I hope this poor man is at peace now. Devils Advocate
  • Score: -20

6:15pm Thu 9 Jan 14

runwellian says...

Life has become worthless, no one should die before their time!

RIP
Life has become worthless, no one should die before their time! RIP runwellian
  • Score: 15

6:21pm Thu 9 Jan 14

runwellian says...

So where is the updated news?
So where is the updated news? runwellian
  • Score: 2

6:44pm Thu 9 Jan 14

ftid1980 says...

I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference.
I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have.
Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc? ftid1980
  • Score: 106

6:54pm Thu 9 Jan 14

BodyBuilder says...

abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.
[quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way. BodyBuilder
  • Score: -63

7:00pm Thu 9 Jan 14

mikepaterson says...

BodyBuilder wrote:
abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.
Sure, just like all people think that it will not happen to them.

What a stupid thing to say!
[quote][p][bold]BodyBuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.[/p][/quote]Sure, just like all people think that it will not happen to them. What a stupid thing to say! mikepaterson
  • Score: 46

7:10pm Thu 9 Jan 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

all sounds a bit odd so far.
all sounds a bit odd so far. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 19

7:51pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
Well it's not an old life... and is not death in these circumstances tragic? Death is by its very nature tragic...

Oh I just give up...
[quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]Well it's not an old life... and is not death in these circumstances tragic? Death is by its very nature tragic... Oh I just give up... Kim Gandy
  • Score: 17

7:52pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

BodyBuilder wrote:
abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.
What unadulterated crap. Forty six old.. typical of a posturing bodybuilder. When you get old mate it will all turn to fat.

And it will come sooner than you think.

You need to give up the steroids mate, it's affecting your power of reasoning.
[quote][p][bold]BodyBuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.[/p][/quote]What unadulterated crap. Forty six old.. typical of a posturing bodybuilder. When you get old mate it will all turn to fat. And it will come sooner than you think. You need to give up the steroids mate, it's affecting your power of reasoning. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 38

7:54pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Kim Gandy says...

ftid1980 wrote:
I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference.
I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have.
Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
but previous cases show these dogs can just turn.

They are a breed most often associated with this sort of tragedy.

And yes I know, you will say that any dog can "turn" but when will you dog owners realise this?

No dog can entirely be trusted with young children, ever. And in this case, it seems it couldn't be trusted with an adult male either.
[quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]but previous cases show these dogs can just turn. They are a breed most often associated with this sort of tragedy. And yes I know, you will say that any dog can "turn" but when will you dog owners realise this? No dog can entirely be trusted with young children, ever. And in this case, it seems it couldn't be trusted with an adult male either. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 6

8:47pm Thu 9 Jan 14

BodyBuilder says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
BodyBuilder wrote:
abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.
What unadulterated crap. Forty six old.. typical of a posturing bodybuilder. When you get old mate it will all turn to fat.

And it will come sooner than you think.

You need to give up the steroids mate, it's affecting your power of reasoning.
Don't turn to fat on all people. Usually only turns to fat if your build is of a big character in the first place. Look at Arnold Schwaraneger. Still looking good.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BodyBuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.[/p][/quote]What unadulterated crap. Forty six old.. typical of a posturing bodybuilder. When you get old mate it will all turn to fat. And it will come sooner than you think. You need to give up the steroids mate, it's affecting your power of reasoning.[/p][/quote]Don't turn to fat on all people. Usually only turns to fat if your build is of a big character in the first place. Look at Arnold Schwaraneger. Still looking good. BodyBuilder
  • Score: -30

10:56pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Mikkel1 says...

BodyBuilder wrote:
abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.
Bodybuilder, NEVER under estimate a dog like this. ANY dog can kill when least expected, including My Jack Russell. You might brag you would survive this, but WHAT proof have you got?
[quote][p][bold]BodyBuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.[/p][/quote]Bodybuilder, NEVER under estimate a dog like this. ANY dog can kill when least expected, including My Jack Russell. You might brag you would survive this, but WHAT proof have you got? Mikkel1
  • Score: 14

8:04am Fri 10 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

ftid1980 wrote:
I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
" ALL dogs are capable of attacking people" ....... yeah, like a jack russell or spaniel is going to rupture your spleen !
[quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]" ALL dogs are capable of attacking people" ....... yeah, like a jack russell or spaniel is going to rupture your spleen ! pembury53
  • Score: -10

8:17am Fri 10 Jan 14

rayleigh123 says...

Was the dog a pet ?? or trained to be something else !!!!

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Was the dog a pet ?? or trained to be something else !!!! . rayleigh123
  • Score: 16

9:22am Fri 10 Jan 14

Bwoods89 says...

Once again everyone is quick to put the blame on the poor dog, no one knows what he was doing to the dog to make it do that in the first place!! Dogs don't generally attack somebody for no reason, he could of been beating it and it had reacted out of fright! The man could of been attacking the lady at house and was protecting her or someone else! Is it a bad dog in them circumstances?! I've got a staffie and she is an angel with anybody that comes into my house but if someone was to attack me my partner or kids she would protect us with her life because she sees us as her family pack!!
Once again everyone is quick to put the blame on the poor dog, no one knows what he was doing to the dog to make it do that in the first place!! Dogs don't generally attack somebody for no reason, he could of been beating it and it had reacted out of fright! The man could of been attacking the lady at house and was protecting her or someone else! Is it a bad dog in them circumstances?! I've got a staffie and she is an angel with anybody that comes into my house but if someone was to attack me my partner or kids she would protect us with her life because she sees us as her family pack!! Bwoods89
  • Score: 28

10:03am Fri 10 Jan 14

TJFG66 says...

pembury53 wrote:
ftid1980 wrote:
I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
" ALL dogs are capable of attacking people" ....... yeah, like a jack russell or spaniel is going to rupture your spleen !
Yes, actually they could. Both are working bred dogs and this article says that it is not yet known how this was caused.
Blaming the wrong end of the lead!
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]" ALL dogs are capable of attacking people" ....... yeah, like a jack russell or spaniel is going to rupture your spleen ![/p][/quote]Yes, actually they could. Both are working bred dogs and this article says that it is not yet known how this was caused. Blaming the wrong end of the lead! TJFG66
  • Score: 17

1:00pm Fri 10 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

TJFG66 wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
ftid1980 wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
" ALL dogs are capable of attacking people" ....... yeah, like a jack russell or spaniel is going to rupture your spleen !
Yes, actually they could. Both are working bred dogs and this article says that it is not yet known how this was caused. Blaming the wrong end of the lead!
And when exactly was the last serious injury reported caused by a jack russel !! granted many dogs have the capacity to cause serious injury but invariably its the same breed over and over again responsible for the most serious attacks and fatalities........ as an owner of such an animal you must surely be aware of it's power and what damage they can do, even to a strong adult if they turn........ "wrong end of the lead" maybe so, but how do you police the idiots intent on owning these dogs and turning them into fighting machines ? the current policy of doing nothing is clearly working a treat, and one thing i can guarantee is that we won't have to wait long until the next 'he never hurt a fly before' staffy headline...
[quote][p][bold]TJFG66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]" ALL dogs are capable of attacking people" ....... yeah, like a jack russell or spaniel is going to rupture your spleen ![/p][/quote]Yes, actually they could. Both are working bred dogs and this article says that it is not yet known how this was caused. Blaming the wrong end of the lead![/p][/quote]And when exactly was the last serious injury reported caused by a jack russel !! granted many dogs have the capacity to cause serious injury but invariably its the same breed over and over again responsible for the most serious attacks and fatalities........ as an owner of such an animal you must surely be aware of it's power and what damage they can do, even to a strong adult if they turn........ "wrong end of the lead" maybe so, but how do you police the idiots intent on owning these dogs and turning them into fighting machines ? the current policy of doing nothing is clearly working a treat, and one thing i can guarantee is that we won't have to wait long until the next 'he never hurt a fly before' staffy headline... pembury53
  • Score: -6

1:45pm Fri 10 Jan 14

leedthered79 says...

ftid1980 wrote:
I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
I wouldn't let ANY dog go anywhere near my daughter how about let it cuddle her at the innocent age of 2. Irresponsible and selfish on ur behalf
[quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't let ANY dog go anywhere near my daughter how about let it cuddle her at the innocent age of 2. Irresponsible and selfish on ur behalf leedthered79
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Fri 10 Jan 14

melissamaria says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
ftid1980 wrote:
I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference.
I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have.
Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
but previous cases show these dogs can just turn.

They are a breed most often associated with this sort of tragedy.

And yes I know, you will say that any dog can "turn" but when will you dog owners realise this?

No dog can entirely be trusted with young children, ever. And in this case, it seems it couldn't be trusted with an adult male either.
The only reason these dogs are known to 'just turn' in previous cases is nothing to do with the nature of the dog I work with animals and let me tell you this staffs come no where near close to the top spot for dogs that bite people the only reason it seems they're the worst is because of their build when they do attack they sadly cause much more damage than a lot of other dogs and they do not just turn there's a reason for everything training dogs myself I know staffs treat properly are the loveliest dog you could have in your house and they are the only dog we recommend with children because of their loving and protective nature of you have never owned a staff yourself you have no right to comment on how these dogs are because let me tell you, you have no idea
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]but previous cases show these dogs can just turn. They are a breed most often associated with this sort of tragedy. And yes I know, you will say that any dog can "turn" but when will you dog owners realise this? No dog can entirely be trusted with young children, ever. And in this case, it seems it couldn't be trusted with an adult male either.[/p][/quote]The only reason these dogs are known to 'just turn' in previous cases is nothing to do with the nature of the dog I work with animals and let me tell you this staffs come no where near close to the top spot for dogs that bite people the only reason it seems they're the worst is because of their build when they do attack they sadly cause much more damage than a lot of other dogs and they do not just turn there's a reason for everything training dogs myself I know staffs treat properly are the loveliest dog you could have in your house and they are the only dog we recommend with children because of their loving and protective nature of you have never owned a staff yourself you have no right to comment on how these dogs are because let me tell you, you have no idea melissamaria
  • Score: 8

2:01pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Whiplash100 says...

Tragic that someone has died...but believe that this would not have made anything other than "local" news if the dog was any breed other than a bull breed!
Very rarely will a dog attack for no reason, the full story is never reported. Perhaps the dog was being teased or tormented, possibly beaten or kicked before it attacked? It could have even started by the dog being hurt accidentally and reacting instinctively to pain. The guy could have injured himself before hitting the floor, and the dog reacting to someone writhing on the floor making strange noises.....FACT IS....We do not know!!
Too much is left for people to make HUGE assumptions.
Statistically more people get bitten by labradors than Staffs....but that doesn't make a good news story apparently. Deed NOT Breed.
Tragic that someone has died...but believe that this would not have made anything other than "local" news if the dog was any breed other than a bull breed! Very rarely will a dog attack for no reason, the full story is never reported. Perhaps the dog was being teased or tormented, possibly beaten or kicked before it attacked? It could have even started by the dog being hurt accidentally and reacting instinctively to pain. The guy could have injured himself before hitting the floor, and the dog reacting to someone writhing on the floor making strange noises.....FACT IS....We do not know!! Too much is left for people to make HUGE assumptions. Statistically more people get bitten by labradors than Staffs....but that doesn't make a good news story apparently. Deed NOT Breed. Whiplash100
  • Score: 21

2:36pm Fri 10 Jan 14

ekcoanarak says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
BodyBuilder wrote:
abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.
What unadulterated crap. Forty six old.. typical of a posturing bodybuilder. When you get old mate it will all turn to fat.

And it will come sooner than you think.

You need to give up the steroids mate, it's affecting your power of reasoning.
Wonder if the steroids have shrunk anything else as well as his brain.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BodyBuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.[/p][/quote]What unadulterated crap. Forty six old.. typical of a posturing bodybuilder. When you get old mate it will all turn to fat. And it will come sooner than you think. You need to give up the steroids mate, it's affecting your power of reasoning.[/p][/quote]Wonder if the steroids have shrunk anything else as well as his brain. ekcoanarak
  • Score: 14

2:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

_Lotus_ says...

abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
Well it is hardly bloody OLD is it for crying out loud!!!

Are you for real or what???
[quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]Well it is hardly bloody OLD is it for crying out loud!!! Are you for real or what??? _Lotus_
  • Score: 12

3:03pm Fri 10 Jan 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
all sounds a bit odd so far.
well guess we need to read the actual Echo paper (Friday) its clearer now..the staffie was an 'edgy' dog by all accounts and very protective of the female owner, sounds like his spleen was ruptured when he fell (possibly), theres only half the story on here, now sounds about right...a nutter devil dog couped up in a flat, laws need to be changed rapidly, isn't there a new law coming out that a dogs owner with face a tough sentence if their dogs kills/attacks others.?
why people want these ugly dogs i don't know, ok some are no problem but if you sense yours is not 110% then i think you need to deal with it before the bad things occur.
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote: all sounds a bit odd so far.[/p][/quote]well guess we need to read the actual Echo paper (Friday) its clearer now..the staffie was an 'edgy' dog by all accounts and very protective of the female owner, sounds like his spleen was ruptured when he fell (possibly), theres only half the story on here, now sounds about right...a nutter devil dog couped up in a flat, laws need to be changed rapidly, isn't there a new law coming out that a dogs owner with face a tough sentence if their dogs kills/attacks others.? why people want these ugly dogs i don't know, ok some are no problem but if you sense yours is not 110% then i think you need to deal with it before the bad things occur. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 5

4:42pm Fri 10 Jan 14

TJFG66 says...

pembury53 wrote:
TJFG66 wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
ftid1980 wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
" ALL dogs are capable of attacking people" ....... yeah, like a jack russell or spaniel is going to rupture your spleen !
Yes, actually they could. Both are working bred dogs and this article says that it is not yet known how this was caused. Blaming the wrong end of the lead!
And when exactly was the last serious injury reported caused by a jack russel !! granted many dogs have the capacity to cause serious injury but invariably its the same breed over and over again responsible for the most serious attacks and fatalities........ as an owner of such an animal you must surely be aware of it's power and what damage they can do, even to a strong adult if they turn........ "wrong end of the lead" maybe so, but how do you police the idiots intent on owning these dogs and turning them into fighting machines ? the current policy of doing nothing is clearly working a treat, and one thing i can guarantee is that we won't have to wait long until the next 'he never hurt a fly before' staffy headline...
A Jack Russel killed someone in November 2012. Just because it doesn't get reach the news, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Who said I owned Staffordshire Bull Terrier anyway? I don't. In the right hands these beautiful dogs can be great but there are back yard breeders who are just in it for the greed and that needs to be sorted. If more people stop buying from these BYB's then less stories like this will be around
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TJFG66[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]" ALL dogs are capable of attacking people" ....... yeah, like a jack russell or spaniel is going to rupture your spleen ![/p][/quote]Yes, actually they could. Both are working bred dogs and this article says that it is not yet known how this was caused. Blaming the wrong end of the lead![/p][/quote]And when exactly was the last serious injury reported caused by a jack russel !! granted many dogs have the capacity to cause serious injury but invariably its the same breed over and over again responsible for the most serious attacks and fatalities........ as an owner of such an animal you must surely be aware of it's power and what damage they can do, even to a strong adult if they turn........ "wrong end of the lead" maybe so, but how do you police the idiots intent on owning these dogs and turning them into fighting machines ? the current policy of doing nothing is clearly working a treat, and one thing i can guarantee is that we won't have to wait long until the next 'he never hurt a fly before' staffy headline...[/p][/quote]A Jack Russel killed someone in November 2012. Just because it doesn't get reach the news, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Who said I owned Staffordshire Bull Terrier anyway? I don't. In the right hands these beautiful dogs can be great but there are back yard breeders who are just in it for the greed and that needs to be sorted. If more people stop buying from these BYB's then less stories like this will be around TJFG66
  • Score: 7

5:26pm Fri 10 Jan 14

black jack ketchum says...

melissamaria wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
ftid1980 wrote:
I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference.
I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have.
Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
but previous cases show these dogs can just turn.

They are a breed most often associated with this sort of tragedy.

And yes I know, you will say that any dog can "turn" but when will you dog owners realise this?

No dog can entirely be trusted with young children, ever. And in this case, it seems it couldn't be trusted with an adult male either.
The only reason these dogs are known to 'just turn' in previous cases is nothing to do with the nature of the dog I work with animals and let me tell you this staffs come no where near close to the top spot for dogs that bite people the only reason it seems they're the worst is because of their build when they do attack they sadly cause much more damage than a lot of other dogs and they do not just turn there's a reason for everything training dogs myself I know staffs treat properly are the loveliest dog you could have in your house and they are the only dog we recommend with children because of their loving and protective nature of you have never owned a staff yourself you have no right to comment on how these dogs are because let me tell you, you have no idea
I have owned a staff & no I wouldn't have another one, they are not to be trusted full stop
[quote][p][bold]melissamaria[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]but previous cases show these dogs can just turn. They are a breed most often associated with this sort of tragedy. And yes I know, you will say that any dog can "turn" but when will you dog owners realise this? No dog can entirely be trusted with young children, ever. And in this case, it seems it couldn't be trusted with an adult male either.[/p][/quote]The only reason these dogs are known to 'just turn' in previous cases is nothing to do with the nature of the dog I work with animals and let me tell you this staffs come no where near close to the top spot for dogs that bite people the only reason it seems they're the worst is because of their build when they do attack they sadly cause much more damage than a lot of other dogs and they do not just turn there's a reason for everything training dogs myself I know staffs treat properly are the loveliest dog you could have in your house and they are the only dog we recommend with children because of their loving and protective nature of you have never owned a staff yourself you have no right to comment on how these dogs are because let me tell you, you have no idea[/p][/quote]I have owned a staff & no I wouldn't have another one, they are not to be trusted full stop black jack ketchum
  • Score: 7

5:53pm Fri 10 Jan 14

John T Pharro says...

ftid1980 wrote:
I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference.
I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have.
Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
It is not concentrating on the breed. It was a Stafordshire, The problem you have along with all the other people who tick to support is that despite there being incident after incident after incident where this breed does this you refuse to accept it is a dangerous breed and your only defence is the usual not the dog but the owner. However you equally refuse to accept that other softer breeds like Labradors equally the same size don't and you cannot point to one case where a Labrador has killed anyone can you?
[quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]It is not concentrating on the breed. It was a Stafordshire, The problem you have along with all the other people who tick to support is that despite there being incident after incident after incident where this breed does this you refuse to accept it is a dangerous breed and your only defence is the usual not the dog but the owner. However you equally refuse to accept that other softer breeds like Labradors equally the same size don't and you cannot point to one case where a Labrador has killed anyone can you? John T Pharro
  • Score: 6

6:40pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Almeda11 says...

abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
Article Quote;



A police spokesman said: "There appears to have been an incident whereby the man was bitten by the dog. It’s likely that during this incident the man sustained injury to his back and this then caused damaged to his spleen. It is not possible to say how that back injury was caused.

AND;
"A post-mortem examination found the initial cause of death to be internal bleeding following a laceration to the spleen. Police will now prepare a file for the coroner."

The cause is clear enough for me, he was attacked, bitten by one of these dogs whos jaws lock, then take chunks out of you with their bite, and then died.
What hypothesis would you put forward them?


The cause seems clear enough to me, he was bitten,
[quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]Article Quote; A police spokesman said: "There appears to have been an incident whereby the man was bitten by the dog. It’s likely that during this incident the man sustained injury to his back and this then caused damaged to his spleen. It is not possible to say how that back injury was caused. AND; "A post-mortem examination found the initial cause of death to be internal bleeding following a laceration to the spleen. Police will now prepare a file for the coroner." The cause is clear enough for me, he was attacked, bitten by one of these dogs whos jaws lock, then take chunks out of you with their bite, and then died. What hypothesis would you put forward them? The cause seems clear enough to me, he was bitten, Almeda11
  • Score: 1

6:43pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Almeda11 says...

Almeda11 wrote:
abd123 wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
Article Quote; A police spokesman said: "There appears to have been an incident whereby the man was bitten by the dog. It’s likely that during this incident the man sustained injury to his back and this then caused damaged to his spleen. It is not possible to say how that back injury was caused. AND; "A post-mortem examination found the initial cause of death to be internal bleeding following a laceration to the spleen. Police will now prepare a file for the coroner." The cause is clear enough for me, he was attacked, bitten by one of these dogs whos jaws lock, then take chunks out of you with their bite, and then died. What hypothesis would you put forward them? The cause seems clear enough to me, he was bitten,
ignore typo error at bottom.
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]Article Quote; A police spokesman said: "There appears to have been an incident whereby the man was bitten by the dog. It’s likely that during this incident the man sustained injury to his back and this then caused damaged to his spleen. It is not possible to say how that back injury was caused. AND; "A post-mortem examination found the initial cause of death to be internal bleeding following a laceration to the spleen. Police will now prepare a file for the coroner." The cause is clear enough for me, he was attacked, bitten by one of these dogs whos jaws lock, then take chunks out of you with their bite, and then died. What hypothesis would you put forward them? The cause seems clear enough to me, he was bitten,[/p][/quote]ignore typo error at bottom. Almeda11
  • Score: 2

6:48pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Miss Southchurch says...

Body builder - talking about a younger fitter person would have survived. That is one of the most crass, sick and depraved comments I've heard in a long time.

How callous does it get??
Body builder - talking about a younger fitter person would have survived. That is one of the most crass, sick and depraved comments I've heard in a long time. How callous does it get?? Miss Southchurch
  • Score: 13

7:02pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Almeda11 says...

John T Pharro wrote:
ftid1980 wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
It is not concentrating on the breed. It was a Stafordshire, The problem you have along with all the other people who tick to support is that despite there being incident after incident after incident where this breed does this you refuse to accept it is a dangerous breed and your only defence is the usual not the dog but the owner. However you equally refuse to accept that other softer breeds like Labradors equally the same size don't and you cannot point to one case where a Labrador has killed anyone can you?
John Pharro,

l agree with your comments. Although l think it is how the owner treats a dog that ultimately determines its behaviour ( after all anybody who treats a puppy aggressively will end up with a dog that is either nervous and timid, or aggressive) l also see too many people with these types of dogs who ARE themselves aggressive, and treat their dogs aggressively.

Many seem to use this breed as a weapon, to intimidate other people, or even as a " status" symbol ! WHY ?? l won`t go into that one it`ll be a long story.

Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them.

lAnd many are off the lead. l always avoid this type, l will cross the road or get as far away as possible as l know what they are capable of, regardless of the reasons.

l believe they are banned in some countries and l hope they do the same here, at the very least we should have dog wardens to make sure that they are on a lead at all times in public., as should all dogs, but many of that breed aren`t.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]It is not concentrating on the breed. It was a Stafordshire, The problem you have along with all the other people who tick to support is that despite there being incident after incident after incident where this breed does this you refuse to accept it is a dangerous breed and your only defence is the usual not the dog but the owner. However you equally refuse to accept that other softer breeds like Labradors equally the same size don't and you cannot point to one case where a Labrador has killed anyone can you?[/p][/quote]John Pharro, l agree with your comments. Although l think it is how the owner treats a dog that ultimately determines its behaviour ( after all anybody who treats a puppy aggressively will end up with a dog that is either nervous and timid, or aggressive) l also see too many people with these types of dogs who ARE themselves aggressive, and treat their dogs aggressively. Many seem to use this breed as a weapon, to intimidate other people, or even as a " status" symbol ! WHY ?? l won`t go into that one it`ll be a long story. Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them. lAnd many are off the lead. l always avoid this type, l will cross the road or get as far away as possible as l know what they are capable of, regardless of the reasons. l believe they are banned in some countries and l hope they do the same here, at the very least we should have dog wardens to make sure that they are on a lead at all times in public., as should all dogs, but many of that breed aren`t. Almeda11
  • Score: 6

7:15pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Almeda11 says...

mikepaterson wrote:
BodyBuilder wrote:
abd123 wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.
Sure, just like all people think that it will not happen to them. What a stupid thing to say!
l agree. And anybody who thinks 46 is " pretty old" is probably under 20 themselves!!
[quote][p][bold]mikepaterson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BodyBuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.[/p][/quote]Sure, just like all people think that it will not happen to them. What a stupid thing to say![/p][/quote]l agree. And anybody who thinks 46 is " pretty old" is probably under 20 themselves!! Almeda11
  • Score: 8

8:24pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Nowthatsworthknowing says...

BodyBuilder wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
BodyBuilder wrote:
abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.
What unadulterated crap. Forty six old.. typical of a posturing bodybuilder. When you get old mate it will all turn to fat.

And it will come sooner than you think.

You need to give up the steroids mate, it's affecting your power of reasoning.
Don't turn to fat on all people. Usually only turns to fat if your build is of a big character in the first place. Look at Arnold Schwaraneger. Still looking good.
You Pr@t,
[quote][p][bold]BodyBuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BodyBuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.[/p][/quote]What unadulterated crap. Forty six old.. typical of a posturing bodybuilder. When you get old mate it will all turn to fat. And it will come sooner than you think. You need to give up the steroids mate, it's affecting your power of reasoning.[/p][/quote]Don't turn to fat on all people. Usually only turns to fat if your build is of a big character in the first place. Look at Arnold Schwaraneger. Still looking good.[/p][/quote]You Pr@t, Nowthatsworthknowing
  • Score: 5

8:26pm Fri 10 Jan 14

John T Pharro says...

melissamaria wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
ftid1980 wrote:
I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference.
I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have.
Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
but previous cases show these dogs can just turn.

They are a breed most often associated with this sort of tragedy.

And yes I know, you will say that any dog can "turn" but when will you dog owners realise this?

No dog can entirely be trusted with young children, ever. And in this case, it seems it couldn't be trusted with an adult male either.
The only reason these dogs are known to 'just turn' in previous cases is nothing to do with the nature of the dog I work with animals and let me tell you this staffs come no where near close to the top spot for dogs that bite people the only reason it seems they're the worst is because of their build when they do attack they sadly cause much more damage than a lot of other dogs and they do not just turn there's a reason for everything training dogs myself I know staffs treat properly are the loveliest dog you could have in your house and they are the only dog we recommend with children because of their loving and protective nature of you have never owned a staff yourself you have no right to comment on how these dogs are because let me tell you, you have no idea
Who are the people or organisation that it is the "only dog recommend Stafordshires with children". I have never read a more ridiculous comment and boy there has been some. Loving and protective nature is the precursor for attack if what they are lovingly protecting is in the dogs expert view is threatened. That is regardless of another dog, animal person or child.
[quote][p][bold]melissamaria[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]but previous cases show these dogs can just turn. They are a breed most often associated with this sort of tragedy. And yes I know, you will say that any dog can "turn" but when will you dog owners realise this? No dog can entirely be trusted with young children, ever. And in this case, it seems it couldn't be trusted with an adult male either.[/p][/quote]The only reason these dogs are known to 'just turn' in previous cases is nothing to do with the nature of the dog I work with animals and let me tell you this staffs come no where near close to the top spot for dogs that bite people the only reason it seems they're the worst is because of their build when they do attack they sadly cause much more damage than a lot of other dogs and they do not just turn there's a reason for everything training dogs myself I know staffs treat properly are the loveliest dog you could have in your house and they are the only dog we recommend with children because of their loving and protective nature of you have never owned a staff yourself you have no right to comment on how these dogs are because let me tell you, you have no idea[/p][/quote]Who are the people or organisation that it is the "only dog recommend Stafordshires with children". I have never read a more ridiculous comment and boy there has been some. Loving and protective nature is the precursor for attack if what they are lovingly protecting is in the dogs expert view is threatened. That is regardless of another dog, animal person or child. John T Pharro
  • Score: 2

9:13pm Fri 10 Jan 14

1no nonsense1 says...

Almeda11 wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
ftid1980 wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
It is not concentrating on the breed. It was a Stafordshire, The problem you have along with all the other people who tick to support is that despite there being incident after incident after incident where this breed does this you refuse to accept it is a dangerous breed and your only defence is the usual not the dog but the owner. However you equally refuse to accept that other softer breeds like Labradors equally the same size don't and you cannot point to one case where a Labrador has killed anyone can you?
John Pharro,

l agree with your comments. Although l think it is how the owner treats a dog that ultimately determines its behaviour ( after all anybody who treats a puppy aggressively will end up with a dog that is either nervous and timid, or aggressive) l also see too many people with these types of dogs who ARE themselves aggressive, and treat their dogs aggressively.

Many seem to use this breed as a weapon, to intimidate other people, or even as a " status" symbol ! WHY ?? l won`t go into that one it`ll be a long story.

Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them.

lAnd many are off the lead. l always avoid this type, l will cross the road or get as far away as possible as l know what they are capable of, regardless of the reasons.

l believe they are banned in some countries and l hope they do the same here, at the very least we should have dog wardens to make sure that they are on a lead at all times in public., as should all dogs, but many of that breed aren`t.
Staffordshire Bull Terriers have what is called a 'scissor bite' (or they should have), along with almost every other dog breed. This is where the upper jaw incisors closely overlap the lower jaw incisors, - like a 'scissor'. Some other breeds do not have this bite (for example the Bull Dog), which has what is called an 'undershot jaw', in which the lower jaw proceeds past the upper jaw, often resulting in a 'reverse scissor bite' (where the lower incisors fit closely in front of the upper incisors).

This 'scissor bite' is the result of evolution, and can be found in carnivores all over the planet. This in no way interlocks, much the same as a pair of scissors don't interlock.

To say this is specific to Staffordshire Bull Terriers is complete fabrication, and nonsense. An Italian Greyhound (amongst endless others), also have (or should have), a regular and complete scissor bite. The only difference being they have 'slighter' teeth, and less musculature that acts upon their jaws.

Pick a fox from your garden, you'll find they also have a complete and regular 'scissor bite'. It is given to them by way of nature.

I suggest you put half as much effort into researching and experiencing what you claim to know, as you do prophesizing it on here. Then maybe you will have half an idea what you are talking about.

All the best.

Ps. You have fallen foul of the sites 'site terms' in which it states you should not post anything false. - Just incase you didn't realise that either.
[quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]It is not concentrating on the breed. It was a Stafordshire, The problem you have along with all the other people who tick to support is that despite there being incident after incident after incident where this breed does this you refuse to accept it is a dangerous breed and your only defence is the usual not the dog but the owner. However you equally refuse to accept that other softer breeds like Labradors equally the same size don't and you cannot point to one case where a Labrador has killed anyone can you?[/p][/quote]John Pharro, l agree with your comments. Although l think it is how the owner treats a dog that ultimately determines its behaviour ( after all anybody who treats a puppy aggressively will end up with a dog that is either nervous and timid, or aggressive) l also see too many people with these types of dogs who ARE themselves aggressive, and treat their dogs aggressively. Many seem to use this breed as a weapon, to intimidate other people, or even as a " status" symbol ! WHY ?? l won`t go into that one it`ll be a long story. Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them. lAnd many are off the lead. l always avoid this type, l will cross the road or get as far away as possible as l know what they are capable of, regardless of the reasons. l believe they are banned in some countries and l hope they do the same here, at the very least we should have dog wardens to make sure that they are on a lead at all times in public., as should all dogs, but many of that breed aren`t.[/p][/quote]Staffordshire Bull Terriers have what is called a 'scissor bite' (or they should have), along with almost every other dog breed. This is where the upper jaw incisors closely overlap the lower jaw incisors, - like a 'scissor'. Some other breeds do not have this bite (for example the Bull Dog), which has what is called an 'undershot jaw', in which the lower jaw proceeds past the upper jaw, often resulting in a 'reverse scissor bite' (where the lower incisors fit closely in front of the upper incisors). This 'scissor bite' is the result of evolution, and can be found in carnivores all over the planet. This in no way interlocks, much the same as a pair of scissors don't interlock. To say this is specific to Staffordshire Bull Terriers is complete fabrication, and nonsense. An Italian Greyhound (amongst endless others), also have (or should have), a regular and complete scissor bite. The only difference being they have 'slighter' teeth, and less musculature that acts upon their jaws. Pick a fox from your garden, you'll find they also have a complete and regular 'scissor bite'. It is given to them by way of nature. I suggest you put half as much effort into researching and experiencing what you claim to know, as you do prophesizing it on here. Then maybe you will have half an idea what you are talking about. All the best. Ps. You have fallen foul of the sites 'site terms' in which it states you should not post anything false. - Just incase you didn't realise that either. 1no nonsense1
  • Score: 4

9:53pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Almeda11 says...

1no nonsense1 wrote:
Almeda11 wrote:
John T Pharro wrote:
ftid1980 wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?
It is not concentrating on the breed. It was a Stafordshire, The problem you have along with all the other people who tick to support is that despite there being incident after incident after incident where this breed does this you refuse to accept it is a dangerous breed and your only defence is the usual not the dog but the owner. However you equally refuse to accept that other softer breeds like Labradors equally the same size don't and you cannot point to one case where a Labrador has killed anyone can you?
John Pharro, l agree with your comments. Although l think it is how the owner treats a dog that ultimately determines its behaviour ( after all anybody who treats a puppy aggressively will end up with a dog that is either nervous and timid, or aggressive) l also see too many people with these types of dogs who ARE themselves aggressive, and treat their dogs aggressively. Many seem to use this breed as a weapon, to intimidate other people, or even as a " status" symbol ! WHY ?? l won`t go into that one it`ll be a long story. Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them. lAnd many are off the lead. l always avoid this type, l will cross the road or get as far away as possible as l know what they are capable of, regardless of the reasons. l believe they are banned in some countries and l hope they do the same here, at the very least we should have dog wardens to make sure that they are on a lead at all times in public., as should all dogs, but many of that breed aren`t.
Staffordshire Bull Terriers have what is called a 'scissor bite' (or they should have), along with almost every other dog breed. This is where the upper jaw incisors closely overlap the lower jaw incisors, - like a 'scissor'. Some other breeds do not have this bite (for example the Bull Dog), which has what is called an 'undershot jaw', in which the lower jaw proceeds past the upper jaw, often resulting in a 'reverse scissor bite' (where the lower incisors fit closely in front of the upper incisors). This 'scissor bite' is the result of evolution, and can be found in carnivores all over the planet. This in no way interlocks, much the same as a pair of scissors don't interlock. To say this is specific to Staffordshire Bull Terriers is complete fabrication, and nonsense. An Italian Greyhound (amongst endless others), also have (or should have), a regular and complete scissor bite. The only difference being they have 'slighter' teeth, and less musculature that acts upon their jaws. Pick a fox from your garden, you'll find they also have a complete and regular 'scissor bite'. It is given to them by way of nature. I suggest you put half as much effort into researching and experiencing what you claim to know, as you do prophesizing it on here. Then maybe you will have half an idea what you are talking about. All the best. Ps. You have fallen foul of the sites 'site terms' in which it states you should not post anything false. - Just incase you didn't realise that either.
You have fallen foul of the sites 'site terms' in which it states you should not post anything false. - Just incase you didn't realise that either.

Have l now, show me where it says that.

And l have not posted anything false, but you have by making that ridiculous statement.

And WHY you go to all that trouble to write a long post like that, just to make the simple point that the bull terrier has " jaws like scissors but don`t interlock, l don`t know.

To be honest l don`t give a monkeys. Are you a staffie owner by any chance> You sound very defensive to me.

At the end of the day a man died because of this breed or its owner, THAT is sad, whether the dog has scissor teeth or not is irrelevant to me, as are the way you choose to put your views across, unpleasant and sarcastic, very intelligent behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]1no nonsense1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Almeda11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ftid1980[/bold] wrote: I fully understand that this is a tragic story, but once again too much of the focus is placed on the breed of dog. ALL dogs are capable of attacking people, it is how they are raised and trained that makes the difference. I may be a Staffie owner, but I am first and foremost a parent and if I felt they were as dangerous as the media makes them out to be, I wouldn't have mine anywhere near my kids. Seriously my dog cuddles up to my 2 year old and only growls if strangers enter the house, which I believe is a fantastic trait for a family dog to have. Think maybe more emphasis should be on where the man got his Staffie, how was it treated, was it well trained, did it have a poor upbringing, was it provoked etc?[/p][/quote]It is not concentrating on the breed. It was a Stafordshire, The problem you have along with all the other people who tick to support is that despite there being incident after incident after incident where this breed does this you refuse to accept it is a dangerous breed and your only defence is the usual not the dog but the owner. However you equally refuse to accept that other softer breeds like Labradors equally the same size don't and you cannot point to one case where a Labrador has killed anyone can you?[/p][/quote]John Pharro, l agree with your comments. Although l think it is how the owner treats a dog that ultimately determines its behaviour ( after all anybody who treats a puppy aggressively will end up with a dog that is either nervous and timid, or aggressive) l also see too many people with these types of dogs who ARE themselves aggressive, and treat their dogs aggressively. Many seem to use this breed as a weapon, to intimidate other people, or even as a " status" symbol ! WHY ?? l won`t go into that one it`ll be a long story. Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them. lAnd many are off the lead. l always avoid this type, l will cross the road or get as far away as possible as l know what they are capable of, regardless of the reasons. l believe they are banned in some countries and l hope they do the same here, at the very least we should have dog wardens to make sure that they are on a lead at all times in public., as should all dogs, but many of that breed aren`t.[/p][/quote]Staffordshire Bull Terriers have what is called a 'scissor bite' (or they should have), along with almost every other dog breed. This is where the upper jaw incisors closely overlap the lower jaw incisors, - like a 'scissor'. Some other breeds do not have this bite (for example the Bull Dog), which has what is called an 'undershot jaw', in which the lower jaw proceeds past the upper jaw, often resulting in a 'reverse scissor bite' (where the lower incisors fit closely in front of the upper incisors). This 'scissor bite' is the result of evolution, and can be found in carnivores all over the planet. This in no way interlocks, much the same as a pair of scissors don't interlock. To say this is specific to Staffordshire Bull Terriers is complete fabrication, and nonsense. An Italian Greyhound (amongst endless others), also have (or should have), a regular and complete scissor bite. The only difference being they have 'slighter' teeth, and less musculature that acts upon their jaws. Pick a fox from your garden, you'll find they also have a complete and regular 'scissor bite'. It is given to them by way of nature. I suggest you put half as much effort into researching and experiencing what you claim to know, as you do prophesizing it on here. Then maybe you will have half an idea what you are talking about. All the best. Ps. You have fallen foul of the sites 'site terms' in which it states you should not post anything false. - Just incase you didn't realise that either.[/p][/quote]You have fallen foul of the sites 'site terms' in which it states you should not post anything false. - Just incase you didn't realise that either. Have l now, show me where it says that. And l have not posted anything false, but you have by making that ridiculous statement. And WHY you go to all that trouble to write a long post like that, just to make the simple point that the bull terrier has " jaws like scissors but don`t interlock, l don`t know. To be honest l don`t give a monkeys. Are you a staffie owner by any chance> You sound very defensive to me. At the end of the day a man died because of this breed or its owner, THAT is sad, whether the dog has scissor teeth or not is irrelevant to me, as are the way you choose to put your views across, unpleasant and sarcastic, very intelligent behaviour. Almeda11
  • Score: -1

10:18pm Fri 10 Jan 14

1no nonsense1 says...

I've made the simple point that you have used incorrect statements regarding a Staffordshire Bull Terriers dentition, - & I've taken the time to explain why you are wrong. Read the post again, & it explains in detail where you are wrong.

I go to that trouble in the hope that you might try and educate yourself before preaching incorrect 'facts' to others.

I am not surprised you 'couldn't give a monkeys'. That is the shame of the situation.

If you want to view facts put in simple terms as defence, that is your choice.

All the best.
I've made the simple point that you have used incorrect statements regarding a Staffordshire Bull Terriers dentition, - & I've taken the time to explain why you are wrong. Read the post again, & it explains in detail where you are wrong. I go to that trouble in the hope that you might try and educate yourself before preaching incorrect 'facts' to others. I am not surprised you 'couldn't give a monkeys'. That is the shame of the situation. If you want to view facts put in simple terms as defence, that is your choice. All the best. 1no nonsense1
  • Score: -3

10:39pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Almeda11 says...

1no nonsense1 wrote:
I've made the simple point that you have used incorrect statements regarding a Staffordshire Bull Terriers dentition, - & I've taken the time to explain why you are wrong. Read the post again, & it explains in detail where you are wrong. I go to that trouble in the hope that you might try and educate yourself before preaching incorrect 'facts' to others. I am not surprised you 'couldn't give a monkeys'. That is the shame of the situation. If you want to view facts put in simple terms as defence, that is your choice. All the best.
Your part-Quote:

"I suggest you put half as much effort into researching and experiencing what you claim to know, as you do prophesizing it on here. Then maybe you will have half an idea what you are talking about. All the best. Ps. You have fallen foul of the sites 'site terms' in which it states you should not post anything false. - Just incase you didn't realise that either"--------
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lt was the way you put those facts across, in a sarcastic, unpleasant and patronising way!! Maybe if you learn to talk civilly to people don`t accuse them of prophesizing you will get a better reaction !!

And l hardly think not knowing ( l`ve never looked actually and never want to !!) whether these dogs have " scissor" teeth ot locked in type teeth makes me guilty of anything, l think you need to grow up!!
[quote][p][bold]1no nonsense1[/bold] wrote: I've made the simple point that you have used incorrect statements regarding a Staffordshire Bull Terriers dentition, - & I've taken the time to explain why you are wrong. Read the post again, & it explains in detail where you are wrong. I go to that trouble in the hope that you might try and educate yourself before preaching incorrect 'facts' to others. I am not surprised you 'couldn't give a monkeys'. That is the shame of the situation. If you want to view facts put in simple terms as defence, that is your choice. All the best.[/p][/quote]Your part-Quote: "I suggest you put half as much effort into researching and experiencing what you claim to know, as you do prophesizing it on here. Then maybe you will have half an idea what you are talking about. All the best. Ps. You have fallen foul of the sites 'site terms' in which it states you should not post anything false. - Just incase you didn't realise that either"-------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- ---------------- lt was the way you put those facts across, in a sarcastic, unpleasant and patronising way!! Maybe if you learn to talk civilly to people don`t accuse them of prophesizing you will get a better reaction !! And l hardly think not knowing ( l`ve never looked actually and never want to !!) whether these dogs have " scissor" teeth ot locked in type teeth makes me guilty of anything, l think you need to grow up!! Almeda11
  • Score: -1

10:54pm Fri 10 Jan 14

1no nonsense1 says...

Your part quote;

''Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them.''


Fair enough, I thought you were claiming fact by stating the above. And would have had a look, & had experience, by claiming knowledge of the above.

Apologies if that is not the case.

All the best.
Your part quote; ''Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them.'' Fair enough, I thought you were claiming fact by stating the above. And would have had a look, & had experience, by claiming knowledge of the above. Apologies if that is not the case. All the best. 1no nonsense1
  • Score: 2

11:07am Sat 11 Jan 14

pembury53 says...

"scissor bite" "interlocking jaws" etc etc..... who cares how it evolved or what it was bred for........ the fact is they bite extremely hard and you can't get them off ......get rid of them
"scissor bite" "interlocking jaws" etc etc..... who cares how it evolved or what it was bred for........ the fact is they bite extremely hard and you can't get them off ......get rid of them pembury53
  • Score: 5

11:49am Sat 11 Jan 14

Almeda11 says...

1no nonsense1 wrote:
Your part quote; ''Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them.'' Fair enough, I thought you were claiming fact by stating the above. And would have had a look, & had experience, by claiming knowledge of the above. Apologies if that is not the case. All the best.
Apology accepted, no hard feelings, all the best to you too.
[quote][p][bold]1no nonsense1[/bold] wrote: Your part quote; ''Also, this breed attacks more often and when they do the outlook isn`t good. They are a breed that has interlocking teeth, so that when they bite they bite deeply, and when they want to let go they can take a bit of you with them.'' Fair enough, I thought you were claiming fact by stating the above. And would have had a look, & had experience, by claiming knowledge of the above. Apologies if that is not the case. All the best.[/p][/quote]Apology accepted, no hard feelings, all the best to you too. Almeda11
  • Score: 2

12:21pm Sat 11 Jan 14

1no nonsense1 says...

Here's some different examples of Staffordshire Bull Terriers for you all to mull over & add to your equation.

http://m.youtube.com
/watch?v=7Tu8gfzy3p8


All the best.
Here's some different examples of Staffordshire Bull Terriers for you all to mull over & add to your equation. http://m.youtube.com /watch?v=7Tu8gfzy3p8 All the best. 1no nonsense1
  • Score: 1

12:32pm Sat 11 Jan 14

1no nonsense1 says...

Ps. It's a video of the East Anglian Staffordshire Bull Terrier Agility Display Team at Crufts last year, should be the one including Paul O'Grady as a handler with the team.

You may have to copy and paste the link into your browser.
Ps. It's a video of the East Anglian Staffordshire Bull Terrier Agility Display Team at Crufts last year, should be the one including Paul O'Grady as a handler with the team. You may have to copy and paste the link into your browser. 1no nonsense1
  • Score: -4

12:55pm Sat 11 Jan 14

1no nonsense1 says...

http://m.youtube.com
/watch?v=W5pFgQmjzZE
http://m.youtube.com /watch?v=W5pFgQmjzZE 1no nonsense1
  • Score: -3

1:00pm Sat 11 Jan 14

DogsMessInLeigh says...

pembury53 wrote:
"scissor bite" "interlocking jaws" etc etc..... who cares how it evolved or what it was bred for........ the fact is they bite extremely hard and you can't get them off ......get rid of them
agreed...if you have the slightest of doubts no matter how small you should get rid.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: "scissor bite" "interlocking jaws" etc etc..... who cares how it evolved or what it was bred for........ the fact is they bite extremely hard and you can't get them off ......get rid of them[/p][/quote]agreed...if you have the slightest of doubts no matter how small you should get rid. DogsMessInLeigh
  • Score: 1

8:52pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Basildon_1 says...

Here we go again, just like the pitbull anouther breed of dogs lifes will be on
the line because of stupidity, lets get something straight the breed didnt kill this man 1 dog did, i would put my life down that the dog was mistreated by either this person or a previous owner, keep your nazi like hatred to your self,
Here we go again, just like the pitbull anouther breed of dogs lifes will be on the line because of stupidity, lets get something straight the breed didnt kill this man 1 dog did, i would put my life down that the dog was mistreated by either this person or a previous owner, keep your nazi like hatred to your self, Basildon_1
  • Score: 2

8:57pm Sat 11 Jan 14

robb789 says...

that bloody dog.....
that bloody dog..... robb789
  • Score: 0

5:25pm Sun 12 Jan 14

runwellian says...

_Lotus_ wrote:
abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
Well it is hardly bloody OLD is it for crying out loud!!!

Are you for real or what???
Whatever age you are and however 'geriatric' you may be, life to the owner is precious, and lets not forget the families of victims!

A loved one died needlessly, whatever your age, do you really think dying doesn't matter past a certain milestone? When you reach the end of your life's journey, you will for every last breath, an extra day, an exrtra hour … just wait and see!
[quote][p][bold]_Lotus_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]Well it is hardly bloody OLD is it for crying out loud!!! Are you for real or what???[/p][/quote]Whatever age you are and however 'geriatric' you may be, life to the owner is precious, and lets not forget the families of victims! A loved one died needlessly, whatever your age, do you really think dying doesn't matter past a certain milestone? When you reach the end of your life's journey, you will for every last breath, an extra day, an exrtra hour … just wait and see! runwellian
  • Score: 2

2:00pm Mon 13 Jan 14

angryofessex says...

Bwoods89 wrote:
Once again everyone is quick to put the blame on the poor dog, no one knows what he was doing to the dog to make it do that in the first place!! Dogs don't generally attack somebody for no reason, he could of been beating it and it had reacted out of fright! The man could of been attacking the lady at house and was protecting her or someone else! Is it a bad dog in them circumstances?! I've got a staffie and she is an angel with anybody that comes into my house but if someone was to attack me my partner or kids she would protect us with her life because she sees us as her family pack!!
Oh, poor doggy woggy. What a shame the little angel was put down just for killing someone. These dogs are purpose bred. Just why do you people want to own this type of animal?
[quote][p][bold]Bwoods89[/bold] wrote: Once again everyone is quick to put the blame on the poor dog, no one knows what he was doing to the dog to make it do that in the first place!! Dogs don't generally attack somebody for no reason, he could of been beating it and it had reacted out of fright! The man could of been attacking the lady at house and was protecting her or someone else! Is it a bad dog in them circumstances?! I've got a staffie and she is an angel with anybody that comes into my house but if someone was to attack me my partner or kids she would protect us with her life because she sees us as her family pack!![/p][/quote]Oh, poor doggy woggy. What a shame the little angel was put down just for killing someone. These dogs are purpose bred. Just why do you people want to own this type of animal? angryofessex
  • Score: 1

6:22am Tue 14 Jan 14

Illinois10 says...

A lot of people have been blaming the breed of dog. Ok, it's a terrier, yes they have more natural aggression because what the terrier group can and have been used for.
But...not all terriers are aggressive, that is taught to them. On the flip side, which breed is the most destructive in the world....Humans. And people moan all the time about being raped, mugged, beaten up, stolen from etc etc from this breed but they still create more of them.
Just because it's a staffie, doesn't mean we know or will even be told why this dog bit the man. It's a shame humans are pts if they attack another, maybe then there would be a happier world to live in....just a thought.
A lot of people have been blaming the breed of dog. Ok, it's a terrier, yes they have more natural aggression because what the terrier group can and have been used for. But...not all terriers are aggressive, that is taught to them. On the flip side, which breed is the most destructive in the world....Humans. And people moan all the time about being raped, mugged, beaten up, stolen from etc etc from this breed but they still create more of them. Just because it's a staffie, doesn't mean we know or will even be told why this dog bit the man. It's a shame humans are pts if they attack another, maybe then there would be a happier world to live in....just a thought. Illinois10
  • Score: 3

2:06pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Stormjayde says...

rayleigh123 wrote:
Was the dog a pet ?? or trained to be something else !!!!

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Try the fact that the owner was most probably a right yob. Treating that poor animal like a piece of dirt. I have seen how some people treat the animal they only got as a penis extension. Not thinking about how their vile actions affect the animal. Animals, like children, only become what owners make them. Stop blaming the poor animal who got destroyed. A huge MINUS to anyone who feels animals are vicious, because YOU are what is wrong with the world. Animals show much more caring than 90% of humans. Look at the breeders out there who breed children to use as a way to support themselves and their stupid habits.
[quote][p][bold]rayleigh123[/bold] wrote: Was the dog a pet ?? or trained to be something else !!!! .[/p][/quote]Try the fact that the owner was most probably a right yob. Treating that poor animal like a piece of dirt. I have seen how some people treat the animal they only got as a penis extension. Not thinking about how their vile actions affect the animal. Animals, like children, only become what owners make them. Stop blaming the poor animal who got destroyed. A huge MINUS to anyone who feels animals are vicious, because YOU are what is wrong with the world. Animals show much more caring than 90% of humans. Look at the breeders out there who breed children to use as a way to support themselves and their stupid habits. Stormjayde
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Stormjayde says...

One additional thing ...BRING IN DOG LICENSING. And stop the yobs being allowed an animal which has the heart of a lion. There is nothing wrong with a staffie IF it has a decent owner. Yobs only want the staffie cos people bring their kids up to fear animals. Give me animals over humans any day. Humans are responsible for so much wrong. Animals like children only become what we make ghem.
One additional thing ...BRING IN DOG LICENSING. And stop the yobs being allowed an animal which has the heart of a lion. There is nothing wrong with a staffie IF it has a decent owner. Yobs only want the staffie cos people bring their kids up to fear animals. Give me animals over humans any day. Humans are responsible for so much wrong. Animals like children only become what we make ghem. Stormjayde
  • Score: 3

2:25pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Stormjayde says...

BodyBuilder wrote:
abd123 wrote:
It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.
I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.
OMG ... to a 10 year old 20 is like Methusalah. To a 5 year old 10 is getting on. So to a 18 year old thickie, who does not stop to realise he/she too will be over 40 unless in the next few years humanity wipes itself out ... what a sad state of affairs. That people still jump on the age bandwagon, and then we have Mr Cameron saying "work longer, die at work". ... Age is relative. No matter how hard some try to be equalist, there will always be ageists, fattists, sexists and people picking fault. Learn LOVE just for a change, animals have proven the lion can lie down with the lamb. Why can't humans?
[quote][p][bold]BodyBuilder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abd123[/bold] wrote: It says he was in his forties which is not a young life. We do not know the cause and it is premature to say tragic circumstances.[/p][/quote]I agree. 46 is pretty old. A younger and stronger person like myself would of survived this. However, a life has been lost in a pointless way.[/p][/quote]OMG ... to a 10 year old 20 is like Methusalah. To a 5 year old 10 is getting on. So to a 18 year old thickie, who does not stop to realise he/she too will be over 40 unless in the next few years humanity wipes itself out ... what a sad state of affairs. That people still jump on the age bandwagon, and then we have Mr Cameron saying "work longer, die at work". ... Age is relative. No matter how hard some try to be equalist, there will always be ageists, fattists, sexists and people picking fault. Learn LOVE just for a change, animals have proven the lion can lie down with the lamb. Why can't humans? Stormjayde
  • Score: 2

3:02pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Devils Advocate says...

Stormjayde wrote:
One additional thing ...BRING IN DOG LICENSING. And stop the yobs being allowed an animal which has the heart of a lion. There is nothing wrong with a staffie IF it has a decent owner. Yobs only want the staffie cos people bring their kids up to fear animals. Give me animals over humans any day. Humans are responsible for so much wrong. Animals like children only become what we make ghem.
A bit of an error there I think. In most, if not all families, the children are brought up to be the best of all things that the circumstances of that family permit. But even, or especially, in the best of families, there is always at least one child that is totally different to the others. Breeding in humans has an element of the mixing pot about it, hence the "Black sheep" of all breeds, including dogs. But of course the incidence of "Killer Humans" is fortunately less than the incidence of "Killer dogs," plausible when you think of the amount of inbreeding that occurs in some pedigree animals. So, if you can have "Throw-back" humans, why not "Throw-back" dogs?
[quote][p][bold]Stormjayde[/bold] wrote: One additional thing ...BRING IN DOG LICENSING. And stop the yobs being allowed an animal which has the heart of a lion. There is nothing wrong with a staffie IF it has a decent owner. Yobs only want the staffie cos people bring their kids up to fear animals. Give me animals over humans any day. Humans are responsible for so much wrong. Animals like children only become what we make ghem.[/p][/quote]A bit of an error there I think. In most, if not all families, the children are brought up to be the best of all things that the circumstances of that family permit. But even, or especially, in the best of families, there is always at least one child that is totally different to the others. Breeding in humans has an element of the mixing pot about it, hence the "Black sheep" of all breeds, including dogs. But of course the incidence of "Killer Humans" is fortunately less than the incidence of "Killer dogs," plausible when you think of the amount of inbreeding that occurs in some pedigree animals. So, if you can have "Throw-back" humans, why not "Throw-back" dogs? Devils Advocate
  • Score: 0

3:59am Thu 16 Jan 14

Franwalsh says...

Just for the record this is/was my nephew Barry. He did not own the dog. it belonged to a friend of his. He was not a yob, he was caring and loving.
.As for his age, does it matter weather he was four or forty four the sad fact is he is no longer in my life and I miss him.
I went to identify at the morgue and it broke my heart.
All I would ask is that you take a minute to you pray for his soul. RIP Barry.
Just for the record this is/was my nephew Barry. He did not own the dog. it belonged to a friend of his. He was not a yob, he was caring and loving. .As for his age, does it matter weather he was four or forty four the sad fact is he is no longer in my life and I miss him. I went to identify at the morgue and it broke my heart. All I would ask is that you take a minute to you pray for his soul. RIP Barry. Franwalsh
  • Score: 7

7:52pm Thu 16 Jan 14

John T Pharro says...

Franwalsh wrote:
Just for the record this is/was my nephew Barry. He did not own the dog. it belonged to a friend of his. He was not a yob, he was caring and loving.
.As for his age, does it matter weather he was four or forty four the sad fact is he is no longer in my life and I miss him.
I went to identify at the morgue and it broke my heart.
All I would ask is that you take a minute to you pray for his soul. RIP Barry.
I would hate to do what you had to do. Hope you can find some peace.
[quote][p][bold]Franwalsh[/bold] wrote: Just for the record this is/was my nephew Barry. He did not own the dog. it belonged to a friend of his. He was not a yob, he was caring and loving. .As for his age, does it matter weather he was four or forty four the sad fact is he is no longer in my life and I miss him. I went to identify at the morgue and it broke my heart. All I would ask is that you take a minute to you pray for his soul. RIP Barry.[/p][/quote]I would hate to do what you had to do. Hope you can find some peace. John T Pharro
  • Score: 2

4:16am Fri 17 Jan 14

Franwalsh says...

John T Pharro wrote:
Franwalsh wrote:
Just for the record this is/was my nephew Barry. He did not own the dog. it belonged to a friend of his. He was not a yob, he was caring and loving.
.As for his age, does it matter weather he was four or forty four the sad fact is he is no longer in my life and I miss him.
I went to identify at the morgue and it broke my heart.
All I would ask is that you take a minute to you pray for his soul. RIP Barry.
I would hate to do what you had to do. Hope you can find some peace.
Thank you John.
[quote][p][bold]John T Pharro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franwalsh[/bold] wrote: Just for the record this is/was my nephew Barry. He did not own the dog. it belonged to a friend of his. He was not a yob, he was caring and loving. .As for his age, does it matter weather he was four or forty four the sad fact is he is no longer in my life and I miss him. I went to identify at the morgue and it broke my heart. All I would ask is that you take a minute to you pray for his soul. RIP Barry.[/p][/quote]I would hate to do what you had to do. Hope you can find some peace.[/p][/quote]Thank you John. Franwalsh
  • Score: 2

9:29pm Thu 30 Jan 14

willowhoney1 says...

"These breed of dog can just turn" staffordshire bull terriers DO NOT even feature in the top 10 list of dogs that have bitten people, Kennel Club. Unfortunately, especially in Essex, these dogs arent staffs, they are crosses or pitbulls. Ask any rescue centre. Leave Staffs alone they are a wonderful breed. ANY dog can turn for gods sake its just unfortunate that arsehole, wannabe bad guys choose this breed thinking they are a "hard" breed; they are not. Research how much abuse these dogs will take before they "just turn". They are named the "Nanny Dog" by the Kennel Club because of their soft kind nature and because they are so good with children.
"These breed of dog can just turn" staffordshire bull terriers DO NOT even feature in the top 10 list of dogs that have bitten people, Kennel Club. Unfortunately, especially in Essex, these dogs arent staffs, they are crosses or pitbulls. Ask any rescue centre. Leave Staffs alone they are a wonderful breed. ANY dog can turn for gods sake its just unfortunate that arsehole, wannabe bad guys choose this breed thinking they are a "hard" breed; they are not. Research how much abuse these dogs will take before they "just turn". They are named the "Nanny Dog" by the Kennel Club because of their soft kind nature and because they are so good with children. willowhoney1
  • Score: 1

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