Travellers wanted £6m to leave Dale Farm (From Basildon Recorder)

anjou wrote:
No doubt it is all about money.. No green ('blue') belt 20 - 40 per cent fall in houseprices and rents. Green ('blue') belt lots of people who can't afford houses.. or caravan pitches.. and those that control the supply normally have sticky fingers.. which comes first.. people or house prices ??

anjou wrote:
The question is how much are you paying the Council and how much are Councillors paying themselves really ? or are they just getting joe public to concentrate on Dale Farm whilst they get up to mischief elsewhere!!!

APR wrote:
"....If it were to be approved as a Traveller site then it would be worth about £150 thousand per pitch, and there are over fifty on Dale Farm....."
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You couldn't build much on those plots, rather small I would say ?

manuelization wrote:
"WE ARE a product of society's behaviour toward us. From the late Fifties we have been facing our apartheid, being forcibly settled where no other human being would live, on council tips and sewer beds, being slowly gassed by methane, where we suffered brain tumours and cot deaths.

We work the fields and help build the local economy, as a travelling workforce.

Our fathers and grandparents fought for the freedom of this country in two wars and campaigns while our women and children kept the country fed.

Now we are to be thrown on the scrapheap of life, thought of as undesirables.

But who is responsible for this behaviour? What have we done so wrong to be thought of in such a way, only to try and keep a strong culture alive, to live our lives, as our ancestors?

We have had over 50 years of forced settlement, with the lack of healthcare, accommodation, education, training and employment, left out on the periphery of society, to try and care for ourselves, to survive.

Who is to blame, where did it all go wrong? But, most of all, how are WE going to put it right?

Let's create the best sites, where people really want to live, to have those same opportunities and aspirations as others.

Let's show our children and grandchildren how to live in harmony with each other, not the life they have grown up in, in the last 50 years or so.
Come on, let's get a new solution, not an old problem.

We already know what is needed, let's all work for a better future for all."

Phienn wrote:
@Audioman

I have now reported you to the police for a enticement to harm and hate crime...i have also contacted the Echo to report you and ask that they make your isp available to the police and myself to take legal and criminal action against you..i hope you have lots of money for you are going to need it..

Phienn wrote:
we now give NOTICE to all and any contributors to this paper on the subject of Dale Farm...( if you dont know what a NOTICE is please research or take legal advice) if you use racial language or use terms to entice harm or hate on the residents of Dale farm we will not only report you to the police but take legal action against you..There is now a legal fund in place to deal with such actions..This is a NOTICE!

Phienn wrote:
Tinker is a derogatory word along the lines of calling a African man a n*****..any more usage of it and i will take legal action against the user if not the Echo..as for people claiming to talk for all the neutral people, please tap into reality you speak only for yourself..The dale farm residents are also tax payers..dont believe it? ring the basildon council and ask...if they didnt pay tax they wouldnt have their bins emptied is only one example..stop acting on your prejudice and research the flawed information you are suppyling..id not keep your hate legal or face the legal consequences which will be forthcoming..

Phienn wrote:
@Shipshape

Your post doesn't warrant reporting and of course using racist language is not only wrong but unlawful which the majority on here are claiming the travellers settlement of their own land is...a mans home is his castle but not in basildon it seems..

jimmyboy1984 wrote:

Phienn wrote:
@Shipshape

Your post doesn't warrant reporting and of course using racist language is not only wrong but unlawful which the majority on here are claiming the travellers settlement of their own land is...a mans home is his castle but not in basildon it seems..

Phienn, you seem to be in the know, where are all the men? they're not showing their faces at the site are they? Don't you find that a bit strange? They're about to lose their homes and they are nowhere to be seen?

Phienn wrote:

jimmyboy1984 wrote:

Phienn wrote:
@Shipshape

Your post doesn't warrant reporting and of course using racist language is not only wrong but unlawful which the majority on here are claiming the travellers settlement of their own land is...a mans home is his castle but not in basildon it seems..

Phienn, you seem to be in the know, where are all the men? they're not showing their faces at the site are they? Don't you find that a bit strange? They're about to lose their homes and they are nowhere to be seen?

The men are on the site they have an aversion to being photoed for what should be obvious reasons but ill enlighten you if you cant figure it out...they fear they will have work withdrawn if it is known they are Travellers..why? because of the media representation of Travellers which the soap watching dumbed down populace swallow like mothers milk..Travellers are the last freemen in the country the establishment are using the slaves to help enslave them..supporting the Traveller is in effect supporting the freedom you have lost...

Greatscot1777 wrote:
The council have exposed what is to all intents and purposes attempted extortion and cannot be accused of not 'going the extra mile' to engage with the law breakers representative. The truth that they are happy to be bought off to avoid enforcement cost simply confirms what an unprincipled bunch of chancers this so called traveller community are. The clue is in the name - its time to travel - otherwise if you want to 'settle' like the rest of us, live by the rules of the society you apparently seek to join.

Phienn wrote:

jimmyboy1984 wrote:

Phienn wrote:
@Shipshape

Your post doesn't warrant reporting and of course using racist language is not only wrong but unlawful which the majority on here are claiming the travellers settlement of their own land is...a mans home is his castle but not in basildon it seems..

Phienn, you seem to be in the know, where are all the men? they're not showing their faces at the site are they? Don't you find that a bit strange? They're about to lose their homes and they are nowhere to be seen?

The men are on the site they have an aversion to being photoed for what should be obvious reasons but ill enlighten you if you cant figure it out...they fear they will have work withdrawn if it is known they are Travellers..why? because of the media representation of Travellers which the soap watching dumbed down populace swallow like mothers milk..Travellers are the last freemen in the country the establishment are using the slaves to help enslave them..supporting the Traveller is in effect supporting the freedom you have lost...

jimmyboy1984 wrote:
Will you be apologising?

TRAVELLERS are scrambling to register their properties for council tax in the hope it could delay the looming eviction.

Out of 90 pitches across both the legal and illegal parts of the Crays Hill site, only about 50 have ever been put on the council tax register.

A source close to the travellers’ campaign said it was hoped registering the remaining properties could lead to appeals with the Valuation Office Agency, which sets council tax bands.

This, they hope, may lead to grounds for an injunction against the eviction until they are heard.

The source said: “A lot of the properties have never been on the council tax register, so the owners have applied to put them on.

“There may have to be a tribunal before they are banded and it would be argued the eviction should not happen until these have taken place.”

A Valuation Office spokesman said: “The Agency has recently become aware a number of residential properties at Dale Farm may not have not been valued for council tax. We are currently in discussion with Basildon Council to establish the facts.

“The agency has responsibility for maintaining accurate council tax lists for all residential property in England and Wales. If we become aware of any residential property which has not been valued for council tax, we will take the necessary action.”

The development comes after independent housing experts affiliated to the United Nations said last week the evictions could be a serious breach of human rights, and called on the Government to intervene to stop the clearance so alternative site locations can be considered.

Crays Hill residents branded the move another stalling tactic.

Len Gridley, 52, from Oak Road, whose home backs on to the site, said: “The valuation office should not even be considering this at this late stage. What is the point of registering properties for council tax which probably won’t exist in a few weeks? It is just another stunt.”

There have previously been claims that although more than 50 pitches at the site are registered for council tax, the authority has not been billing them.

Tony Ball, Basildon Council leader, said he inquire as to the current situation with council tax payments at Dale Farm and could not comment further.

jimmyboy1984 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

jimmyboy1984 wrote:

Phienn wrote:
@Shipshape

Your post doesn't warrant reporting and of course using racist language is not only wrong but unlawful which the majority on here are claiming the travellers settlement of their own land is...a mans home is his castle but not in basildon it seems..

Phienn, you seem to be in the know, where are all the men? they're not showing their faces at the site are they? Don't you find that a bit strange? They're about to lose their homes and they are nowhere to be seen?

The men are on the site they have an aversion to being photoed for what should be obvious reasons but ill enlighten you if you cant figure it out...they fear they will have work withdrawn if it is known they are Travellers..why? because of the media representation of Travellers which the soap watching dumbed down populace swallow like mothers milk..Travellers are the last freemen in the country the establishment are using the slaves to help enslave them..supporting the Traveller is in effect supporting the freedom you have lost...

the men aren't showing themselves because all but three of the illegally occupied plots are supposedly dwelt by single mothers claiming benefits. Benefits that they are only entitled to by their being single. Which we all know they are not lol

jimmyboy1984 wrote:
Phienn, how would the travellers be losing money buy selling their land for £6m? it only cost the Sheridans tens of thousands of pounds

jimmyboy1984 wrote:
Phienn, the council could not bill them as that would have been deemed that the council recognizes the illegal plots as legal dwellings

Phienn wrote:

jimmyboy1984 wrote:
Phienn, the council could not bill them as that would have been deemed that the council recognizes the illegal plots as legal dwellings

council tax is paid if it wasn't and what you suggest is the case then why would there be a rush to registar for something that is already known not to be acceptable...this is ll part of the confusion purposely put out to muddy the waters and enrage usually fair and right minded people against the travellers...its media propaganda...in your hearts you know it..

jimmyboy1984 wrote:
Phienn, I have reported you to the police for your gross racial stereotype of Irish Travellers, can I suggest that if you have proof of any child being abducted that you inform the authorities, otherwise please don't spread rumours.

c.c doorman wrote:
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Bobz01 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

jimmyboy1984 wrote:
Phienn, the council could not bill them as that would have been deemed that the council recognizes the illegal plots as legal dwellings

council tax is paid if it wasn't and what you suggest is the case then why would there be a rush to registar for something that is already known not to be acceptable...this is ll part of the confusion purposely put out to muddy the waters and enrage usually fair and right minded people against the travellers...its media propaganda...in your hearts you know it..

Yawn!!!!!...........

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soul man wrote:
how can they say the're travellers, they've been at dale farm for over 10 yrs, they are static squatters

Phienn wrote:

jimmyboy1984 wrote:
Phienn, I have reported you to the police for your gross racial stereotype of Irish Travellers, can I suggest that if you have proof of any child being abducted that you inform the authorities, otherwise please don't spread rumours.

I apologise if my quip re: children was taken as fact, it is of course not true...but they shoot horses dont they? but again that stereotypical nonsense is not taken on board by the more intelligent contributors to this newspaper...i wonder just what is actually the truth when it comes to Travellers...they dont steal children or shoot horses, they pay all the tax they have to unlike the rich in this country...they work as small business' thereby helping the economy...just what is it they do wrong beside exist?

Phienn wrote:
we will try to answer your long post point by point...
The harsh words seem to be in abundance from those opposed to the Travellers...There is no evidence or complaint that the travellers have seriously threatened the police or bailiffs with rocks or gas canisters...this is media hype/lies...there is clear evidence of sick adults and children on the site...the local school is likely to close if the site is crushed...in regards to leaving peacefully.. would you? if you had nowhere to go! as for the term 'tinker' its not the term but the context in which it is used! while you mention the homeless in New zealand and Japan your all in favour of causing the same homelessness to the Travellers of Dale Farm! illegal developers is not the case...caravans are non permanent structures and cannot be classed as development...anyone who thinks for an instant that the media is sympathetic to the travellers is indeed gullible if not slightly deranged..giving up your homes to live on the road side! with dignity and respect! you expect to much of mere human beings..The police are there to keep the peace, we shall see if they carry out that remit and not aid and abet bailiff violence against the residents and protesters. Im sorry my friend but if the blinkers need to be removed it isnt from the eyes of the travellers who know quite clearly what is happening to them..

APR wrote:
Perhaps our resident Dale Farm poster (whether Traveller or University activist)

Can answer one simple question. One that has been asked a number of times.
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Why is it that we see none of the men from the camp when the TV news teams are around ?. The few we do see driving in and out hide their faces.
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Please don't say it's because they are out working.

bumper wrote:
what a joke they should not even be talking giving them 5hit infact they should give it for the mess they leave and to sort the land out back to what it was .

Phienn wrote:
The Pavee are the indigenous people of Ireland in the way of the Aborigine and Red Indian in their respective countries..so history or the writing of it in this case is very wrong...Dale farm is no more 'land grabbing/occupation' than any estate shopping centre or home to suggest otherwise is clearly pushing credibility...As for the documented anti-social behaviour, the police have files which show dale farm and its residents have a much better record of keeping the law than surrounding areas, check this out with the police...Dale farm residents are taxpayers too! as for life style are you suggesting for example that Muslims give up their life style or they should expect not to benefit from living in this country? Is it the case of live the way we do or suffer the consequences? The vast majority of people on Dale Farm are British born! Many in basildon! You sir, believe all the lies and drivel that is pushed about Travellers and then use it in your argument...Traveller

s have the right to all you have the right to and they need not change their culture to have that right anymore than any person would..

trell wrote:
Also, now that I've addressed your post accusing me of being "Blinkered", can I ask a few, and hopefully actually get an answer here that is not straight from the Grattan Puxon school of propaganda.
1. Are you saying that this is all about discrimination, & has nothing to do with the £6m Richard Sheridan admitted to asking?
2. Are you saying that you won't profit gratuitously if you were able to pull off the biggest scam (Buying cheap green-belt land that has little value as you can't really build on it, building on it regardless, trying to force the council planning department into accepting, thus rendering "worthless land" into land that can be sold for many times more than what it was initially worth?
3. A lot has been said about "Human Rights". Can you explain to me which human right has been violated? Cos I've read every human right, and "The right to break the law" is not one of them.
4. You are saying that the school will suffer. Will it really? It has one of the worst attendance records, and there are local children who have been sent to other schools despite the proximity. I wonder why?
5. Are you emphatically saying that it really is all about discrimination, & absolutely nothing about money? You can't shout "Ethnic cleansing" on the one hand, and ask the council for a £6 mill payout on the other hand.
6. A normal decent human being accused of wrongdoing might accept their punishment. A slightly immature human being might kick off, appeal their case, and after one or two tries, get the hint. A really immature human being would continue to appeal, citing discrimination, over and over again. Considering you have done all of this, then made it socio-political, then made demands for money, then threatened to just fight, what does that make you?
7. For a close-knit community who looks after the elderly with nebulisers & young innocent children, why are you choosing to slug it out & prolong the pain & agony anymore? Why not just go peacefully so none of the community get hurt?
8. The eviciton is inevitable. Why delay it?
9. Ever heard of battery powered hand held nebulisers?

10. These are the questions everyone is asking you. Why are you not answering them?????

jimmyboy1984 wrote:
Phienn, you threw a paddy yesterday (no pun intended) when someone used the word tinker, and said it was as offensive as n****r. Well can I just suggest that in your recent post you should have replaced the term 'red Indians' with the much more up to date 'native Americans'

Kim Gandy wrote:
They want too much. They have already squeezed every last drop of goodwill out of this community.

Tony Ball should not be meeting anyone in a pub. This is little short of brown envelope mentality.

Basildon Council is digging itself an even bigger hole and the fact that these people have got away with robbing the local community for a whole decade is dubious in itself.

nowhere else in the country has there been any other case like this, of a large settlement being allowed to live illegally for a decade.

Ball should make THEM pay back every penny they have fleeced off this community, including me for the devaluation of my house in Crays Hill and the associated problems it has caused me.

How about Tony Ball meeting me in a pub and giving me £250,000 - because that is what I personally am owed for the devaluation, subsequent problems caused by this, distress and disruption to my and my family's lives.

These people are a disgrace and should be bounced off that site unceremoniously.

Oh and it's not an eviction because they are not there legally, it's a clearance.

Phienn wrote:

trell wrote:
Also, now that I've addressed your post accusing me of being "Blinkered", can I ask a few, and hopefully actually get an answer here that is not straight from the Grattan Puxon school of propaganda.
1. Are you saying that this is all about discrimination, & has nothing to do with the £6m Richard Sheridan admitted to asking?
2. Are you saying that you won't profit gratuitously if you were able to pull off the biggest scam (Buying cheap green-belt land that has little value as you can't really build on it, building on it regardless, trying to force the council planning department into accepting, thus rendering "worthless land" into land that can be sold for many times more than what it was initially worth?
3. A lot has been said about "Human Rights". Can you explain to me which human right has been violated? Cos I've read every human right, and "The right to break the law" is not one of them.
4. You are saying that the school will suffer. Will it really? It has one of the worst attendance records, and there are local children who have been sent to other schools despite the proximity. I wonder why?
5. Are you emphatically saying that it really is all about discrimination, & absolutely nothing about money? You can't shout "Ethnic cleansing" on the one hand, and ask the council for a £6 mill payout on the other hand.
6. A normal decent human being accused of wrongdoing might accept their punishment. A slightly immature human being might kick off, appeal their case, and after one or two tries, get the hint. A really immature human being would continue to appeal, citing discrimination, over and over again. Considering you have done all of this, then made it socio-political, then made demands for money, then threatened to just fight, what does that make you?
7. For a close-knit community who looks after the elderly with nebulisers & young innocent children, why are you choosing to slug it out & prolong the pain & agony anymore? Why not just go peacefully so none of the community get hurt?
8. The eviciton is inevitable. Why delay it?
9. Ever heard of battery powered hand held nebulisers?

10. These are the questions everyone is asking you. Why are you not answering them?????

I stated it wasn't the Travellers who were blinkered, if you inferred that meant you were then thats your choice..

1, You would need to be much clearer in what your asking on this point..

2, The land is worth what the owner deems it to be worth...even with the price that the press and council SAY was asked the families would be out of pocket...see other post in regards to
this

3, Article 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 12, 13, 17, 22, 25, 26

4, perhaps you can comment on this 'question' yourself..

5, It is all about injustice and lack of natural fairness..

6, I do not accept you know the full difference between a 'normal human being' or otherwise as you questions give notice of this lack of understanding...but to reply. This is mostly an accusation except for the ending..If you are asking what makes a person/family/commun

ity fight to the end to stay in their homes and together then id suggest you know the answer yourself..

7, Peacefully go where? To the nearest layby, super market car park, lane...they have nowhere to go they have to stay they have been given no option..

8, While the die might have has been cast but the number has yet to be revealed...God moves in mysterious ways..

9, No

10, I have. (strange question to include)

hatch201 wrote:
Its very simple respect is earned not given. If the travellers want our respect they need to repect our ways of life and obey the laws of the country they have decided to live in. The Dale Farm issues has been decided in the English law courts. Therefore to the residents of Dale Farm please respect the decision of this countries courts and leave now. As if you do you will be able to gain some respect for your community if you dont your playing in to the hands of the bigots who are only to happy to stero type you

Bobz01 wrote:
The English law has told your so called "English people" to get out of Dale farm.......... don't sound to me like they have abandoned us!!! (not in this case anyway) so lets see these so called "English travellers" play by the rules & act like good English citizens.......

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
The English law has told your so called "English people" to get out of Dale farm.......... don't sound to me like they have abandoned us!!! (not in this case anyway) so lets see these so called "English travellers" play by the rules & act like good English citizens.......

This the court has done, another court might overturn that so hang onto your hat...so called? are you suggesting that people born in England are not English? if so how? no one has suggested they are English Travellers but you...why you have is your secret unless you reveal...This country is under common law...planning stature/legislation isn't common law...

Bobz01 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
The English law has told your so called "English people" to get out of Dale farm.......... don't sound to me like they have abandoned us!!! (not in this case anyway) so lets see these so called "English travellers" play by the rules & act like good English citizens.......

This the court has done, another court might overturn that so hang onto your hat...so called? are you suggesting that people born in England are not English? if so how? no one has suggested they are English Travellers but you...why you have is your secret unless you reveal...This country is under common law...planning stature/legislation isn't common law...

English, Irish or Martian it dont matter to me..... all your drivel aint gonna prevent the inevitable..... the notice has been served & a lot of people are gonna be happier for it...... as shown by the feeling on here....... only choice left is go peacefully or cause agro.... either way the result will be the same.......... I suggest you hold onto to your hat......

trell wrote:
The council didn't give the 80 plots permission, & this resulted in a 10 year farce that they are to blame for? That's very moronic thinking. They granted other traveller plots planning permission. You can't claim discrimination there. Maybe it's just the area, or they had better luck, or it was first come first served. Whatever the reason, choosing to throw your teddies out of the pram is not the answer.

OK, you may not want to move to Ireland, but as I said, you have a very large number of areas within the UK. Some very close to Dale Farm. Others, where you might have families. If you don't have families anywhere else within the UK, what significance is Dale Farm to you that you can't just move to somewhere else in the UK where you can buy land & develop on it with the consent of the local authorities? It would be easier, and cheaper if you just accepted that, rather than waste time and legal expenses on appealing everything, then bringing in your elderly & children into the matter.

Earlier on, I asked you to answer 10 questions, without jargon, bamboozling or anything other than simple, plain answers. You spectacularly failed in doing that, either asking me to answer them, saying they've already been answered (but not saying where or by whom), making obscure references to untraceable articles, or asking me to clarify.

For someone who believes they have a strong case to make, you seem very good at not making it. Is it any wonder the courts have thrown the case out, and if you think the European Court of Human Rights might solve it for you, I understand you need a 2 year waiting period before your case can go there, and even then, unless you can provide concrete proof that your human rights are infringed, (and not because a couple of bishops, an actress & a a soundbite from Amnesty International say so), your case will likely be thrown out again.

Here's some free advice, and I genuinely mean it, because if your Human Rights really are being infringed, then I hope you succeed.

Ditch Grattan Puxon. The 80's is over. Propaganda really doesn't have the same punch it once did, and covering your case in shmaltzy references to "Innocent kids" and "Frail & Infirm" has not helped. - It just puts peoples' backs up. When I saw the Youtube clip, I thought it was so absurd it was funny. Tinkly piano music along with slideshows faded in & out of eachother? It was crass!

Stop Richard Sheridan from making a mockery out of your case. Going around asking for money? I can't blame the guy for trying, but if you're trying to put a case in to the high courts, dodgy actions like that will get the case thrown out of court quicker than you can say "Bribery"

If you still plan to take this further, be concise in your answers. From the evidence you've provided here, you haven't given one decent answer. Judges tend not to like their time wasted by showboating & they can see someone trying to fluster a court very quickly. Make your case plain & simple & easy to understand. Provide evidence that people can look up & acutally see first hand.

You mentioned the die is cast & God moves in mysterious ways. Well so far, you've already had many throws of the dice, and God's movement has not exactly been going your way. Based on the evidence, I think you're out of time, but you just don't want to accept the inevitable.

I wish you all courage to face up to the decisions that you can't control, no matter how hard you've tried. I hope you have the maturity to accept that this is all going nowhere, and that you can be gracious in defeat, rather than deciding to not to go out without a fight, placing your elderly & children in the direct firing line. I hope you all have the good sense that on eviction day, the Gas canisters & rocks being used to hold down tarpaulin, are not used, because last I checked, going equipped, assault, assault on police and criminal damage were all offences.

As for the tinker thing, It's getting in the way of the crux of the debate. Let's agree to disagree. I'll mention it no more.

Oh we're going to wrote:
All these comments will be removed soon by the Echo junta, same as the comments on 'Eviction date set for Dale Farm (79)' has been deleted!
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Time for phienn to say goodbye!
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Incidentally, who was that traveller woman with the moustache, or was she one of the absent men in disguise?

Phienn wrote:

Oh we're going to wrote: All these comments will be removed soon by the Echo junta, same as the comments on 'Eviction date set for Dale Farm (79)' has been deleted! . Time for phienn to say goodbye! . Incidentally, who was that traveller woman with the moustache, or was she one of the absent men in disguise?

probably one of your female relatives

Phienn wrote:

Oh we're going to wrote:
All these comments will be removed soon by the Echo junta, same as the comments on 'Eviction date set for Dale Farm (79)' has been deleted!
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Time for phienn to say goodbye!
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Incidentally, who was that traveller woman with the moustache, or was she one of the absent men in disguise?

probably one of your female relatives

Oh we're going to wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Oh we're going to wrote: All these comments will be removed soon by the Echo junta, same as the comments on 'Eviction date set for Dale Farm (79)' has been deleted! . Time for phienn to say goodbye! . Incidentally, who was that traveller woman with the moustache, or was she one of the absent men in disguise?

probably one of your female relatives

You know that's not true, please try to remain objective instead of trading insults! ...oh hang on, perhaps she was the original bearded woman? That would be a rare treat. A Traveling show woman ..... Na probably not since it makes no sense to travel when you can rape society for what you want and not subscribe a penny in return!
I always admired show men and their travelling ways with mobile funfairs etc, recruiting extra help from local lads to man the dodgems and to provide muscle to erect rides. These Dale farm lot have done no good for these honest hard working people who travel during the summer and overwinter on established legal sites.
The Dale Farm 'Travellers' are not exactly helping the cause of the original Travellers who I'm sure to a man and woman we all respect. Either Gypsy or Romany you will probably not hear a negative comment against them.
But what has become apparent in the last few days is stories of intimidation, death threats and blackmail.
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The tide has turned. Irish Travellers have gone too far and shown themselves for what they really are.
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Answer that phienn, you are endorsing a sub culture that will damage the indigenous Gypsy culture we all respect!

Oh we're going to wrote:
In order for you to continue your argument, what exactly is a pavee?
The British people have no problems with Gypsies. It seems to me and others that the Gypsy 'Tag' is being used as a tool to bolster the so called right of Irish Travellers who knowingly have flouted the laws of the land to set up home as and where they like. This isn't a matter of race, creed, colour (Dare i mention the 'N' word as you have before) It's moreover a simple matter of you cannot take a plot of land and settle on it as you think fit!
Nothing rascist, no colour, creed or any of the usual suspects. It's a matter of law, regardless of if you own the land or not, we all have to abide by these laws so why should a group of Irish people be able to ride roughshod over what the settled community have to follow.

Phienn wrote:

Oh we're going to wrote: In order for you to continue your argument, what exactly is a pavee? The British people have no problems with Gypsies. It seems to me and others that the Gypsy 'Tag' is being used as a tool to bolster the so called right of Irish Travellers who knowingly have flouted the laws of the land to set up home as and where they like. This isn't a matter of race, creed, colour (Dare i mention the 'N' word as you have before) It's moreover a simple matter of you cannot take a plot of land and settle on it as you think fit! Nothing rascist, no colour, creed or any of the usual suspects. It's a matter of law, regardless of if you own the land or not, we all have to abide by these laws so why should a group of Irish people be able to ride roughshod over what the settled community have to follow.

Pavee is a member of a age old culture of the indigenous people of ireland...Do you speak for the British people of Britain or half of them or a bit of them or yourself? The people do have a problem with gypsies going by past actions its just at this moment the Basildon part of the uk have a problem with Pavee's and now pretend to be fond of Gypsies..pathetic really..who do you think terms pavee's irish travellers or indeed Gypsies if not the general public..for the sake of argument and having to constantly explain pavees accept what they are called..The newspapers are fully aware that the Pavee is not a Gypsy but of course this doesn't stop them using the term..so the usage of the term isn't the fault of the Pavee...The problem is Michael Howard the tory MP and crony of the shower in power today told the Travellers both Pavee and Gypsy alike that they could do just that! buy land and live on it! Can you understand or are you purposely ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people on Dale Farm are born in England...if you cant understand that then its useless to respond to you or the others...THEY ARE ENGLISH BORN!!!!

anjou wrote:
Cllr Horgan is right to a point.

Public money needs to be used for the public good.

When the Council give planning permission for a site they make it worth a lot of money (i.e. Billericay Old School developed in the green belt). The developer has given donations to the Conservatives in the past, and the Council did not challenge the Secretary of State in the courts to protect the green belt.

The site at Pound Lane where this an appeal for a traveller site has a value as development land of about £75 million.

Council's throughout the country pay about £45,000 for the land on which gypsy traveller sites are established.

The value of a pitch with planning permission is normally between £60,000 - £100,000 (dependent on neighbours and Council).

As a brown field site in the green belt Dale Farm probably has a value in excess of £30,000. As a green field site in the green belt its value is probably less. The site is brown field in the green belt.

The land the Council is selling that is parks and public open space in Basildon should pay for the sporting village at least twice.. all depends on the price that the Councillors agree.

The issues are much complicated that Cllr Horgan identifies.

perini wrote:
Why should councils provide plots in any case? Everyone else has to pay for pitching their caravan etc. Bloody parasites!

nomoretogo wrote:
these people have put "nothing" in the pot so give them the same amount back.

Oh we're going to wrote:
In order for you to continue your argument, what exactly is a pavee?
The British people have no problems with Gypsies. It seems to me and others that the Gypsy 'Tag' is being used as a tool to bolster the so called right of Irish Travellers who knowingly have flouted the laws of the land to set up home as and where they like. This isn't a matter of race, creed, colour (Dare i mention the 'N' word as you have before) It's moreover a simple matter of you cannot take a plot of land and settle on it as you think fit!
Nothing rascist, no colour, creed or any of the usual suspects. It's a matter of law, regardless of if you own the land or not, we all have to abide by these laws so why should a group of Irish people be able to ride roughshod over what the settled community have to follow.

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote:
I think everyone should fook off back to one of the two villages in Kenya that we all descend from.

Phienn wrote:

APR wrote:
Perhaps our resident Dale Farm poster (whether Traveller or University activist)

Can answer one simple question. One that has been asked a number of times.
.
Why is it that we see none of the men from the camp when the TV news teams are around ?. The few we do see driving in and out hide their faces.
.
Please don't say it's because they are out working.

Take the time to read all the comments and you will find that has been answered..

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote:
Incorrect, it is ILLEGAL to call people racist names and doesn't this whole discussion hinge on the law?

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote:
Incorrect, it is ILLEGAL to call people racist names and doesn't this whole discussion hinge on the law?

Ironman wrote:
Is that true, the vast majority were born in England? Must be a load of kids under 10 then.

No matter though, the Law applies to all.

Diannah wrote:
I had to smile when I read an article in the Echo today which stated that sites had been identified in Liverpool which had been offered to the travellers. Apparently they turned them down because it is too far for them TO TRAVEL!!

steve@eastwood wrote:
Phienn, (stupid name!)
If you are a resident of Dale Farm, I look forward to seeing you get your come uppance from the bailiffs. If you are a idiotic dogooder who has turned up to cause problems for the bailiffs then again, three cheers for the LEGAL people who's job it is to uphold the English laws. Good riddance to the lot of you.

Phienn wrote:
How is this for ugliness...A petition containing more than 5000 signatories presented to Basildon council would cause said council to hold a full council meeting to debate the issue pertaining to the petition...The Basildon Council, with the world looking on, stamps on the British reputation for fair play suspended's all council meetings so they dont have to abide by their own constitution! Can the Basildon council be globally despised any more than they already are? This info is now hitting the social sites and people will be sending their condemnation to The Basildon Council. Whats it like to have such a council in charge of your area?

Aint it just the truth wrote:

ItscalledspinIcallit

lying wrote:
I think everyone should fook off back to one of the two villages in Kenya that we all descend from.

There is a huge difference between somewhere we all left seventy thousand years ago and the Eire village the travellers left a few years ago. Why did they leave? Because the Eire government got so fed up with their total disregard for all normal civilised values that they changed the law of the land.

APR wrote:

Phienn wrote:

APR wrote:
Perhaps our resident Dale Farm poster (whether Traveller or University activist)

Can answer one simple question. One that has been asked a number of times.
.
Why is it that we see none of the men from the camp when the TV news teams are around ?. The few we do see driving in and out hide their faces.
.
Please don't say it's because they are out working.

Take the time to read all the comments and you will find that has been answered..

If I had an hour or two to spare I would.
So please tell us in your own words.

In a couple of "short paragraphs".

APR wrote:
As somebody suggested in a newspaper. Perhaps they should set up checks at all access roads now. Then check all vehicles entering and leaving, to make sure they are taxed, insured, and that the drivers have licences ?

hatch201 wrote:
So Phienn your more than happy to admit that there are gas canisters rigged round the site and when you say gas canisters I say IED's so with this in mind you would have no issues with the army rolling in as they are fully geared up to deal with this kinda thing as I've said before if you and your Irish Traveller friend want any kinda respect you need to respect the laws of the country you live in. And if you want to resort to using IED's I'm sure the army will have no problems tipping up to clear the site quick time

Bobz01 wrote:
According to Wikipedia .....

Travellers refer to themselves as Minceir or Pavees in their own language or in Irish as an Lucht Siúil, meaning literally "the walking people".

Travellers are often referred to by the terms "gypsies", "didicoy", "tinkers" or "knackers". These terms refer to services that were traditionally provided by them, tinkering (or tinsmithing), for example, being the mending of tinware such as pots and pans, and knackering, being the acquisition of dead or old horses for slaughter.

Other names, specifically derogatory, such as "pikey" and "gypo" or "gippo" (derived from "Gypsy") are also heard.

"Didicoy" is a Romani term for a child of mixed Romani and non-Romani parentage; as applied to the Travellers, it refers to the fact that they are not "Gypsy" by ethnicity but Irish by blood and lead a similar yet distinct lifestyle


According to the Oxford English dictionary

tinker


(in the past) a person who travelled from place to place, selling or repairing things..............




Tinker dont look like a very derogatory word to me.......

Aint it just the truth wrote:
"Travellers refer to themselves as Minceir or Pavees in their own language or in Irish as an Lucht Siúil, meaning literally the walking people"
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Then why don't they "walk off" somewhere else then, like back to Eire where they belong cos we sure don't want them over here.

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
According to Wikipedia .....

Travellers refer to themselves as Minceir or Pavees in their own language or in Irish as an Lucht Siúil, meaning literally "the walking people".

Travellers are often referred to by the terms "gypsies", "didicoy", "tinkers" or "knackers". These terms refer to services that were traditionally provided by them, tinkering (or tinsmithing), for example, being the mending of tinware such as pots and pans, and knackering, being the acquisition of dead or old horses for slaughter.

Other names, specifically derogatory, such as "pikey" and "gypo" or "gippo" (derived from "Gypsy") are also heard.

"Didicoy" is a Romani term for a child of mixed Romani and non-Romani parentage; as applied to the Travellers, it refers to the fact that they are not "Gypsy" by ethnicity but Irish by blood and lead a similar yet distinct lifestyle


According to the Oxford English dictionary

tinker


(in the past) a person who travelled from place to place, selling or repairing things..............





Tinker dont look like a very derogatory word to me.......

Well if its on wikipedia it must be gospel then!!!!!!!...please get real!

If Tinkering is tinsmith and Knackering is dead horses...what service is didicoying? lol why not ask wikipedia...

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
According to Wikipedia .....

Travellers refer to themselves as Minceir or Pavees in their own language or in Irish as an Lucht Siúil, meaning literally "the walking people".

Travellers are often referred to by the terms "gypsies", "didicoy", "tinkers" or "knackers". These terms refer to services that were traditionally provided by them, tinkering (or tinsmithing), for example, being the mending of tinware such as pots and pans, and knackering, being the acquisition of dead or old horses for slaughter.

Other names, specifically derogatory, such as "pikey" and "gypo" or "gippo" (derived from "Gypsy") are also heard.

"Didicoy" is a Romani term for a child of mixed Romani and non-Romani parentage; as applied to the Travellers, it refers to the fact that they are not "Gypsy" by ethnicity but Irish by blood and lead a similar yet distinct lifestyle


According to the Oxford English dictionary

tinker


(in the past) a person who travelled from place to place, selling or repairing things..............





Tinker dont look like a very derogatory word to me.......

Well if its on wikipedia it must be gospel then!!!!!!!...please get real!

If Tinkering is tinsmith and Knackering is dead horses...what service is didicoying? lol why not ask wikipedia...

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
According to Wikipedia .....

Travellers refer to themselves as Minceir or Pavees in their own language or in Irish as an Lucht Siúil, meaning literally "the walking people".

Travellers are often referred to by the terms "gypsies", "didicoy", "tinkers" or "knackers". These terms refer to services that were traditionally provided by them, tinkering (or tinsmithing), for example, being the mending of tinware such as pots and pans, and knackering, being the acquisition of dead or old horses for slaughter.

Other names, specifically derogatory, such as "pikey" and "gypo" or "gippo" (derived from "Gypsy") are also heard.

"Didicoy" is a Romani term for a child of mixed Romani and non-Romani parentage; as applied to the Travellers, it refers to the fact that they are not "Gypsy" by ethnicity but Irish by blood and lead a similar yet distinct lifestyle


According to the Oxford English dictionary

tinker


(in the past) a person who travelled from place to place, selling or repairing things..............





Tinker dont look like a very derogatory word to me.......

Well if its on wikipedia it must be gospel then!!!!!!!...please get real!

If Tinkering is tinsmith and Knackering is dead horses...what service is didicoying? lol why not ask wikipedia...

Sir Henry Rawlinson wrote:
I have tried to ignore Phienn's comments but can not do so any longer. As with most of the other posters on this story, I have issues with spending £18m on this eviction, however, I believe it has to be seen through now. I would also like to join a previous poster in the front row when the 'tinker' racial abuse case goes to court, particularly given Bobz post above.
Anyway, that's not the point of this.

As you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to post on the Echo, why not spend little looking through the Echo archive, particularly under Jon Austin's byline. You will then be able to read about (amongst others):
the properties and land owned by your friends in Ireland;
the social housing and other properties available to them in the Wolverhampton area;
the legal plots they have in Cambridgeshire and elsewhere;
the inflammable sofa business they have been running from Dale Farm;
the slave labour being operated fom dale farm.

While you're at it, why not have a word with management at the cinema in Festival Leisure Park to see how much they have to fork out in refunds and free tickets as compensation for films ruined by those sweet traveller children who buy a ticket for the first show of the day and then flit between screens all day, disturbing and being abusive towards other customers. Also, try speaking to supermarket owners in the area and ask them about the extra security precautions they need to take when the transit vans park up in the furthest corner of the car park ahead of the latest 'shopping' trip.

I have no doubt you think you're doing the right thing by helping out but remember you only hear the side of the story you want to and/or are being told (as am I to an extent before you throw that one back at me - that's human nature).

Manwithaplan232 wrote:
Phienn...

Listen to yourself, how can you be homeless when your travellers???

Manwithaplan232 wrote:
Phienn,

like Sir Henry Rawlinson, I have sat reading your comments and following this story quite closely as I live in the local area and to be honest, I don't have much dealings with travellers apart from at the cinema on Sundays when extra security are required to manage the children (and teenagers) who pay to see one movie but end up in there all day and often found and forced out...

Now my main point is... You have certainly picked the best country in the world to buy some land and build illegal housing. The United Kingdom has always been a haven for those less fortunate and we've always had open arms for those in times of distress or need however, I am sad to say that unfortunately the population have got fed up with those who abuse the system, overstay their welcome or generally flout the rules.

If I were to buy a piece of land and build a house on it - I would expect the council to be round, serving me notice and if not complied with then knocking it down... Being Welsh (no jokes please), this would not be because I am welsh but because I have broken planning rules... And actually how dare you compare your situation to ethnic cleansing - Ethnic cleansing is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.... this situation is not that, You've settled and built on land against the law of the land and Central and Local Government (Both elected by the population) have told you to leave and you refuse too... You are lucky you have been left for ten years.

Phienn says...
7:23pm Thu 8 Sep 11
you and your ilk

Bobz01 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
According to Wikipedia .....

Travellers refer to themselves as Minceir or Pavees in their own language or in Irish as an Lucht Siúil, meaning literally "the walking people".

Travellers are often referred to by the terms "gypsies", "didicoy", "tinkers" or "knackers". These terms refer to services that were traditionally provided by them, tinkering (or tinsmithing), for example, being the mending of tinware such as pots and pans, and knackering, being the acquisition of dead or old horses for slaughter.

Other names, specifically derogatory, such as "pikey" and "gypo" or "gippo" (derived from "Gypsy") are also heard.

"Didicoy" is a Romani term for a child of mixed Romani and non-Romani parentage; as applied to the Travellers, it refers to the fact that they are not "Gypsy" by ethnicity but Irish by blood and lead a similar yet distinct lifestyle


According to the Oxford English dictionary

tinker


(in the past) a person who travelled from place to place, selling or repairing things..............






Tinker dont look like a very derogatory word to me.......

Well if its on wikipedia it must be gospel then!!!!!!!...please get real!

If Tinkering is tinsmith and Knackering is dead horses...what service is didicoying? lol why not ask wikipedia...

So by your reasoning seeing as the Oxford English dictionary backs it up then that is garbage as well then?

jeez, I tell ya what I cant wait to hear your drivel when it all starts!!!......

Bobz01 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
According to Wikipedia .....

Travellers refer to themselves as Minceir or Pavees in their own language or in Irish as an Lucht Siúil, meaning literally "the walking people".

Travellers are often referred to by the terms "gypsies", "didicoy", "tinkers" or "knackers". These terms refer to services that were traditionally provided by them, tinkering (or tinsmithing), for example, being the mending of tinware such as pots and pans, and knackering, being the acquisition of dead or old horses for slaughter.

Other names, specifically derogatory, such as "pikey" and "gypo" or "gippo" (derived from "Gypsy") are also heard.

"Didicoy" is a Romani term for a child of mixed Romani and non-Romani parentage; as applied to the Travellers, it refers to the fact that they are not "Gypsy" by ethnicity but Irish by blood and lead a similar yet distinct lifestyle


According to the Oxford English dictionary

tinker


(in the past) a person who travelled from place to place, selling or repairing things..............






Tinker dont look like a very derogatory word to me.......

Well if its on wikipedia it must be gospel then!!!!!!!...please get real!

If Tinkering is tinsmith and Knackering is dead horses...what service is didicoying? lol why not ask wikipedia...

According to the Oxford English dictionary

tinker (in the past) a person who travelled from place to place, selling or repairing things..............

I suppose thats derogatory crap too?

read the full post... lol lol

cant wait to see your drivel when it all starts!!!......

pass the popcorn..... lol lol lol

steve@eastwood wrote:

Phienn wrote:
How is this for ugliness...A petition containing more than 5000 signatories presented to Basildon council would cause said council to hold a full council meeting to debate the issue pertaining to the petition...The Basildon Council, with the world looking on, stamps on the British reputation for fair play suspended's all council meetings so they dont have to abide by their own constitution! Can the Basildon council be globally despised any more than they already are? This info is now hitting the social sites and people will be sending their condemnation to The Basildon Council. Whats it like to have such a council in charge of your area?

You are scraping the barrel now. Also I think you will find that its the gypsies that are globally despised. Good for the council.

Diannah wrote:
Not heartless at all Phienn. Just cynical. My heart goes out to my shopkeeper friend who has had to learn the tactics of travellers sending their children in to shops to distract the staff while the adults do the thieving. One law for us and no law for travellers!

Phienn wrote:
Started of well then the old red mist descended...take a deep breath... so kids messing in the cinema by staying on to watch more than they should...im sure god will punish them in time for that. In many countries if you buy land build you are not evicted or the property tore down.. especially after you have been advised by a cabinet minsister to do just that, Mr Michael Howard. The people of Dale Farm are English and have perhaps more right to be in England than yourself you might think...How can you overstay your time in your own country? The residents of Dale Farm are also residents of basildon and of the populace of England and the UK...The Residents have not built houses anywhere on dale farm...that is part of the myth..Ethnic cleansing has been mentioned and accepted by some as being the case and not by others...its a matter of personal opinion...you have yours i have mine and they have theirs...to the people of dale farm should be left the final word on what it is for it is them suffering the actions...it might surprise you to know that the majority of the populace DIDNT vote for either the central government or indeed the local...as for you last comment, that is of course your own opinion which taking that opinion into context with the rest of your post could be considered... prejudiced but of course you are welcome to it...

Oh we're going to wrote:

Phienn says...
7:23pm Thu 8 Sep 11
you and your ilk

Oh deary me, a clear statement of segregation! tututut.

I hear shares at Butterkist are climbing!

Phienn wrote:

Oh we're going to wrote:

Phienn says... 7:23pm Thu 8 Sep 11 you and your ilk

Oh deary me, a clear statement of segregation! tututut. I hear shares at Butterkist are climbing!

Truly pathetic...you sully the more intelligent posters on here who are against the residents and for the council...at least they are coming for a angle that can be understood...

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Phienn wrote:
Started of well then the old red mist descended...take a deep breath... so kids messing in the cinema by staying on to watch more than they should...im sure god will punish them in time for that. In many countries if you buy land build you are not evicted or the property tore down.. especially after you have been advised by a cabinet minsister to do just that, Mr Michael Howard. The people of Dale Farm are English and have perhaps more right to be in England than yourself you might think...How can you overstay your time in your own country? The residents of Dale Farm are also residents of basildon and of the populace of England and the UK...The Residents have not built houses anywhere on dale farm...that is part of the myth..Ethnic cleansing has been mentioned and accepted by some as being the case and not by others...its a matter of personal opinion...you have yours i have mine and they have theirs...to the people of dale farm should be left the final word on what it is for it is them suffering the actions...it might surprise you to know that the majority of the populace DIDNT vote for either the central government or indeed the local...as for you last comment, that is of course your own opinion which taking that opinion into context with the rest of your post could be considered... prejudiced but of course you are welcome to it...

Ha ha ha! The travellers are English? So why do they all talk with broad Irish accents then? THEY ARE FROM EIRE NOT THE UK and that's where they should go back to. As for your assertions about ethnic cleansing, do you realise how insulting and stupid that is? Tw0t.

morphy wrote:
Back in the mid 80's I was on holiday in Ireland and there was a news report about a site set up for the travellers and they totally wrecked it this was in Tipperary.
Just one question why not go back to Ireland?

Oh we're going to wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Oh we're going to wrote:

Phienn says... 7:23pm Thu 8 Sep 11 you and your ilk

Oh deary me, a clear statement of segregation! tututut. I hear shares at Butterkist are climbing!

Truly pathetic...you sully the more intelligent posters on here who are against the residents and for the council...at least they are coming for a angle that can be understood...

If that's the case then please expand on what you mean by "you and your ilk"

Bobz01 wrote:
Oh I see now........ so everybody else is wrong except you!!! now I understand.......... best you get onto the Ox dic & put them straight then or repost em to the police?....... in a couple of your posts you state that they have not built houses on Dale farm... & also you slate a female poster with your sarcasm stating shae was laughing at women & children being made homeless.... well if they aint got houses they must be living in some kind of abode, caravans maybe? well fixed or otherwise they are still "homes" & can be moved or shared....... stop contradicting yourself..... you come up with loads of sarcastic drivel & only ever offer EXCUSES for them... FACT ... they did wrong & are getting thier come uppance, if they dont like it then dont act in the manner they do.... simples.......

& as for my govt loving me, I couldnt careless about the money grabbing govt, but I do accept responsibility if I do wrong & wont bleat to anyone who listens all the kind of sob stories we hear on here......

Bobz01 wrote:

Oh we're going to wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Oh we're going to wrote:

Phienn says... 7:23pm Thu 8 Sep 11 you and your ilk

Oh deary me, a clear statement of segregation! tututut. I hear shares at Butterkist are climbing!

Truly pathetic...you sully the more intelligent posters on here who are against the residents and for the council...at least they are coming for a angle that can be understood...

If that's the case then please expand on what you mean by "you and your ilk"

Sounds derogatory to me...... I might feel offended!!!.....

EthanEdwards wrote:

ItscalledspinIcallit

lying wrote:
Incorrect, it is ILLEGAL to call people racist names and doesn't this whole discussion hinge on the law?

Glad you have such a deep respect for the Law.

But this is the VERY same Law thats telling you to LEAVE Dale Farm, and has been doing so for ten years.

So how come you haven't obeyed the law you claim to respect so much?

So do you only obey Laws you like and ignore others?

We 'gorjas' have a word for that.

We call it Hypocrisy.

Red Hand Gang wrote:
WE WONT GO! WE WONT GO! (Oh unless you give us 6 million of tax payers money)

Phienn wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Phienn wrote: Started of well then the old red mist descended...take a deep breath... so kids messing in the cinema by staying on to watch more than they should...im sure god will punish them in time for that. In many countries if you buy land build you are not evicted or the property tore down.. especially after you have been advised by a cabinet minsister to do just that, Mr Michael Howard. The people of Dale Farm are English and have perhaps more right to be in England than yourself you might think...How can you overstay your time in your own country? The residents of Dale Farm are also residents of basildon and of the populace of England and the UK...The Residents have not built houses anywhere on dale farm...that is part of the myth..Ethnic cleansing has been mentioned and accepted by some as being the case and not by others...its a matter of personal opinion...you have yours i have mine and they have theirs...to the people of dale farm should be left the final word on what it is for it is them suffering the actions...it might surprise you to know that the majority of the populace DIDNT vote for either the central government or indeed the local...as for you last comment, that is of course your own opinion which taking that opinion into context with the rest of your post could be considered... prejudiced but of course you are welcome to it...

Ha ha ha! The travellers are English? So why do they all talk with broad Irish accents then? THEY ARE FROM EIRE NOT THE UK and that's where they should go back to. As for your assertions about ethnic cleansing, do you realise how insulting and stupid that is? Tw0t.

They were born in England...which makes them????? take your time....i know its a hard question....Are you stating they are born in Ireland or are you stating they are from there...if the latter, are you suggesting it doesn't matter where you are born you are from wherever you ancestors are from? lets have it clear what you mean...by answering you might find out yourself just what it is you are stating..

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Phienn wrote: Started of well then the old red mist descended...take a deep breath... so kids messing in the cinema by staying on to watch more than they should...im sure god will punish them in time for that. In many countries if you buy land build you are not evicted or the property tore down.. especially after you have been advised by a cabinet minsister to do just that, Mr Michael Howard. The people of Dale Farm are English and have perhaps more right to be in England than yourself you might think...How can you overstay your time in your own country? The residents of Dale Farm are also residents of basildon and of the populace of England and the UK...The Residents have not built houses anywhere on dale farm...that is part of the myth..Ethnic cleansing has been mentioned and accepted by some as being the case and not by others...its a matter of personal opinion...you have yours i have mine and they have theirs...to the people of dale farm should be left the final word on what it is for it is them suffering the actions...it might surprise you to know that the majority of the populace DIDNT vote for either the central government or indeed the local...as for you last comment, that is of course your own opinion which taking that opinion into context with the rest of your post could be considered... prejudiced but of course you are welcome to it...

Ha ha ha! The travellers are English? So why do they all talk with broad Irish accents then? THEY ARE FROM EIRE NOT THE UK and that's where they should go back to. As for your assertions about ethnic cleansing, do you realise how insulting and stupid that is? Tw0t.

They were born in England...which makes them????? take your time....i know its a hard question....Are you stating they are born in Ireland or are you stating they are from there...if the latter, are you suggesting it doesn't matter where you are born you are from wherever you ancestors are from? lets have it clear what you mean...by answering you might find out yourself just what it is you are stating..

Idiot, a few of the children were born here but the rest were born in Eire and only left there after the Irish government changed the law on trespass in 1994. Deny it all you want but it doesn't make you right. You might be able to con a few pensioners but you don't fool most of us. Bye byeee losers!

Phienn wrote:

hatch201 wrote:
So Phienn your more than happy to admit that there are gas canisters rigged round the site and when you say gas canisters I say IED's so with this in mind you would have no issues with the army rolling in as they are fully geared up to deal with this kinda thing as I've said before if you and your Irish Traveller friend want any kinda respect you need to respect the laws of the country you live in. And if you want to resort to using IED's I'm sure the army will have no problems tipping up to clear the site quick time

I admit no such thing but agreed that mention of gas canisters were made on a documentary some time ago in regards to another site...please if you are going to try put words into my mouth have a little bit more finesse...the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Phienn wrote:
You are such a fool that i pity you...you give your opinion as if it was fact...Do you know any of the people personally? Do you know where they were born? How many were born in the UK and how many in ireland...info and evidence...do you have it? The people who were born before 1994! how would a future bill cause them to come to the UK to avoid such a bill if it hadnt been passed...They were born here...none of the councillors or press suggest they wasnt...they talk in genreal terms about Ireland but dont state the residents are not Uk citizens...your so rabid you cant see clearly...more stereotypical claptrap..

Any Comment on the council's suspending meetings to fraught their own constitution? Which is causing the social sites to twin basildon with ugliness? comment?

btw as for losers...you are really not one to comment on such things...Did you know Shayne Ward perhaps your girlfriend buys his records is an Irish traveller? David Essex (lol) he of the 70s/80s singing fame, perhaps your mother and aunties bought his records and watches him on eastenders, you prob watch it to, is an Irish traveller, Are you a football fan? The man most England supporters depend on to win games and get them into the world cup is an irish Traveller.. losers...get real...travellers are the last freemen in this country...

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
Oh I see now........ so everybody else is wrong except you!!! now I understand.......... best you get onto the Ox dic & put them straight then or repost em to the police?....... in a couple of your posts you state that they have not built houses on Dale farm... & also you slate a female poster with your sarcasm stating shae was laughing at women & children being made homeless.... well if they aint got houses they must be living in some kind of abode, caravans maybe? well fixed or otherwise they are still "homes" & can be moved or shared....... stop contradicting yourself..... you come up with loads of sarcastic drivel & only ever offer EXCUSES for them... FACT ... they did wrong & are getting thier come uppance, if they dont like it then dont act in the manner they do.... simples.......

& as for my govt loving me, I couldnt careless about the money grabbing govt, but I do accept responsibility if I do wrong & wont bleat to anyone who listens all the kind of sob stories we hear on here......

If the Ox dic stated that Gypsy's call 'irish travellers' didicoy's then yes they are wrong and i will check and contact them to see why they think this is the case...you did state that tinker, knacker and didicoy was a service...i asked what service was didicoying but to date you havent answered...iIm not sure all you state is in the Dic...could it be you are mixing what is with what you think is the case? Can you be clear just what it is the Ox dic states? They havent built houses on dale farm...what you are looking at are twin units...they are accepted as caravans...I didn't use any sarcasm to the woman in question i stated i thought her a heartless creature...no sarcasm there...by the law you demand is obeyed anyone in a caravan without a base to stay on is deemed homeless...Basildon is making the people of Dale Farm homeless, they dont deny this in fact they advise the familes to join the housing list as homeless and as such they would be put to the top of the list...which would of course cause and out cry and the Travellers will be blamed for Basildon's housing procedures...anyone on here looking for social housing or have family looking for social housing should be concerned that Basildon councils actions and advise is going to put people back many years from getting a house, if the travellers take up the councils offer...Basildon's actions are going to impact on Basildon residents for many years to come...`i can see the council becoming bankrupt..is it worth it...well answer that when the council raise the council tax to pay for their crazy actions...

Phienn wrote:

Manwithaplan232 wrote:
Phienn,

like Sir Henry Rawlinson, I have sat reading your comments and following this story quite closely as I live in the local area and to be honest, I don't have much dealings with travellers apart from at the cinema on Sundays when extra security are required to manage the children (and teenagers) who pay to see one movie but end up in there all day and often found and forced out...

Now my main point is... You have certainly picked the best country in the world to buy some land and build illegal housing. The United Kingdom has always been a haven for those less fortunate and we've always had open arms for those in times of distress or need however, I am sad to say that unfortunately the population have got fed up with those who abuse the system, overstay their welcome or generally flout the rules.

If I were to buy a piece of land and build a house on it - I would expect the council to be round, serving me notice and if not complied with then knocking it down... Being Welsh (no jokes please), this would not be because I am welsh but because I have broken planning rules... And actually how dare you compare your situation to ethnic cleansing - Ethnic cleansing is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.... this situation is not that, You've settled and built on land against the law of the land and Central and Local Government (Both elected by the population) have told you to leave and you refuse too... You are lucky you have been left for ten years.

Started of well then the old red mist descended...take a deep breath...

so kids messing in the cinema by staying on to watch more than they should...im sure god will punish them in time for that.

In many countries if you buy land build you are not evicted or the property tore down.. especially after you have been advised by a cabinet minsister to do just that, Mr Michael Howard.

The people of Dale Farm are English and have perhaps more right to be in England than yourself you might think...How can you overstay your time in your own country? The residents of Dale Farm are also residents of basildon and of the populace of England and the UK...The Residents have not built houses anywhere on dale farm...that is part of the myth..Ethnic cleansing has been mentioned and accepted by some as being the case and not by others...its a matter of personal opinion...you have yours i have mine and they have theirs...to the people of dale farm should be left the final word on what it is for it is them suffering the actions...it might surprise you to know that the majority of the populace DIDNT vote for either the central government or indeed the local...as for you last comment, that is of course your own opinion which taking that opinion into context with the rest of your post could be considered... prejudiced but of course you are welcome to it...

Manwithaplan232 wrote:
Human Rights should end at the point you break the law.

morphy wrote:
Human rights seems to be for the law breaker not the victims of crime, that is what seems to me. I agree with Manwithaplan232 wrote: Human Rights should end at the point you break the law. That's my point of view.

Aint it just the truth wrote:

morphy wrote:
Human rights seems to be for the law breaker not the victims of crime, that is what seems to me. I agree with Manwithaplan232 wrote: Human Rights should end at the point you break the law. That's my point of view.

Are we sure these scummy Irish travellers are human?

morphy wrote:
Human rights seems to be for the law breaker not the victims of crime, that is what seems to me. I agree with Manwithaplan232 wrote:
Human Rights should end at the point you break the law.
That's my point of view.

Aint it just the truth wrote:
Phienn your ranting and raving won't change a thing, you lose. If you had more than one brain cell you'd walk away and try to be a better person in future but I can't see that happening. Hope they're selling tickets for the eviction.

hatch201 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

hatch201 wrote:
So Phienn your more than happy to admit that there are gas canisters rigged round the site and when you say gas canisters I say IED's so with this in mind you would have no issues with the army rolling in as they are fully geared up to deal with this kinda thing as I've said before if you and your Irish Traveller friend want any kinda respect you need to respect the laws of the country you live in. And if you want to resort to using IED's I'm sure the army will have no problems tipping up to clear the site quick time

I admit no such thing but agreed that mention of gas canisters were made on a documentary some time ago in regards to another site...please if you are going to try put words into my mouth have a little bit more finesse...the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Phienn the post where you stated gas canister have been put in place to prevent stormtrooper tattic at 3am has been removed as I reported it and asked that the detail be passed to the Police on he ground that it insighted terrorism. Check the law on this claiming the IEDs etc have been set is covered and can result in a nice little prision sentence.

Also interested to note that my suggetion that if you want rspect it has to be earned and you need to resepect the laws of the land you live is in your eyes irrelevant. If you read my posts on here I've not resorted to name calling or mud slinging all I have said that the legal battle is lost and have said that the residents of dale farm should respect the laws of the country they live in. But of course you ignore that kinda thing as it doesnt suit you. You would rather pick fights which only serve to alignate people further.

I've said it before and will say it again the law has spoken so please respect the law and move on.

APR wrote:
Ah well, it looks like the P*k*ys know when they are onto a good thing, and have decided to move onto the legal part of the site.
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Unless this is just a delaying tactic on their behalf ?
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I expect the student protesters who are helping them to compile emails, will have to go back to school soon ?

Sir Henry Rawlinson wrote:
Or back to playing World of Warcraft (try Googling 'Phienn')

Manwithaplan232 wrote:

Phienn wrote:
You are such a fool that i pity you...you give your opinion as if it was fact...Do you know any of the people personally? Do you know where they were born? How many were born in the UK and how many in ireland...info and evidence...do you have it? The people who were born before 1994! how would a future bill cause them to come to the UK to avoid such a bill if it hadnt been passed...They were born here...none of the councillors or press suggest they wasnt...they talk in genreal terms about Ireland but dont state the residents are not Uk citizens...your so rabid you cant see clearly...more stereotypical claptrap..

Any Comment on the council's suspending meetings to fraught their own constitution? Which is causing the social sites to twin basildon with ugliness? comment?

btw as for losers...you are really not one to comment on such things...Did you know Shayne Ward perhaps your girlfriend buys his records is an Irish traveller? David Essex (lol) he of the 70s/80s singing fame, perhaps your mother and aunties bought his records and watches him on eastenders, you prob watch it to, is an Irish traveller, Are you a football fan? The man most England supporters depend on to win games and get them into the world cup is an irish Traveller.. losers...get real...travellers are the last freemen in this country...

Phienn... I couldn't care less where you are born.. I am happy to accept anyone to this country like we've done for hundreds of years but on a couple of rules... the most important in my book is that you OBEY the LAW!

Phienn wrote:

Manwithaplan232 wrote:

Phienn wrote: You are such a fool that i pity you...you give your opinion as if it was fact...Do you know any of the people personally? Do you know where they were born? How many were born in the UK and how many in ireland...info and evidence...do you have it? The people who were born before 1994! how would a future bill cause them to come to the UK to avoid such a bill if it hadnt been passed...They were born here...none of the councillors or press suggest they wasnt...they talk in genreal terms about Ireland but dont state the residents are not Uk citizens...your so rabid you cant see clearly...more stereotypical claptrap.. Any Comment on the council's suspending meetings to fraught their own constitution? Which is causing the social sites to twin basildon with ugliness? comment? btw as for losers...you are really not one to comment on such things...Did you know Shayne Ward perhaps your girlfriend buys his records is an Irish traveller? David Essex (lol) he of the 70s/80s singing fame, perhaps your mother and aunties bought his records and watches him on eastenders, you prob watch it to, is an Irish traveller, Are you a football fan? The man most England supporters depend on to win games and get them into the world cup is an irish Traveller.. losers...get real...travellers are the last freemen in this country...

Phienn... I couldn't care less where you are born.. I am happy to accept anyone to this country like we've done for hundreds of years but on a couple of rules... the most important in my book is that you OBEY the LAW!

do you obey the law? every law? all the time? If you do then you are a very special person...in fact you are probably not a person but a machine...everyone breaks the law at some time...think about it...now you will start to qualify the laws into serious to not so serious...but thats not the point...breaking the law which is what you are harping on about is breaking the law regardless of what law...

Manwithaplan232 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
Oh I see now........ so everybody else is wrong except you!!! now I understand.......... best you get onto the Ox dic & put them straight then or repost em to the police?....... in a couple of your posts you state that they have not built houses on Dale farm... & also you slate a female poster with your sarcasm stating shae was laughing at women & children being made homeless.... well if they aint got houses they must be living in some kind of abode, caravans maybe? well fixed or otherwise they are still "homes" & can be moved or shared....... stop contradicting yourself..... you come up with loads of sarcastic drivel & only ever offer EXCUSES for them... FACT ... they did wrong & are getting thier come uppance, if they dont like it then dont act in the manner they do.... simples.......

& as for my govt loving me, I couldnt careless about the money grabbing govt, but I do accept responsibility if I do wrong & wont bleat to anyone who listens all the kind of sob stories we hear on here......

If the Ox dic stated that Gypsy's call 'irish travellers' didicoy's then yes they are wrong and i will check and contact them to see why they think this is the case...you did state that tinker, knacker and didicoy was a service...i asked what service was didicoying but to date you havent answered...iIm not sure all you state is in the Dic...could it be you are mixing what is with what you think is the case? Can you be clear just what it is the Ox dic states? They havent built houses on dale farm...what you are looking at are twin units...they are accepted as caravans...I didn't use any sarcasm to the woman in question i stated i thought her a heartless creature...no sarcasm there...by the law you demand is obeyed anyone in a caravan without a base to stay on is deemed homeless...Basildon is making the people of Dale Farm homeless, they dont deny this in fact they advise the familes to join the housing list as homeless and as such they would be put to the top of the list...which would of course cause and out cry and the Travellers will be blamed for Basildon's housing procedures...anyone on here looking for social housing or have family looking for social housing should be concerned that Basildon councils actions and advise is going to put people back many years from getting a house, if the travellers take up the councils offer...Basildon's actions are going to impact on Basildon residents for many years to come...`i can see the council becoming bankrupt..is it worth it...well answer that when the council raise the council tax to pay for their crazy actions...

I would rather have my council bankrupt and supporting the rule of the law than a council that allows people to break the law....

You are making little or no arguement towards the travellers staying in their current place of residence... You say they (or you) are in fear of becoming homeless, isnt that the whole point of being a traveller?

When I decided to settle down and get myself a home, do you know what I did? I had to go and buy one through an estate agents, then I had to pay £11,000 in stamp duty, now I need to pay council tax which goes up every year.... What have the people at Dale Farm done? they've bought a plot of land (no tax), they've built their own properties without planning permission (illegal) and only now (10 years on!) are they registering for council tax so that they postpone whats going to happen....

In short - It's an illegal construction and NEEDS to be brought down, I feel sorry for the elderly and the young children but ultimately its the adults and those responsible that have brought it upon themselves.

Manwithaplan232 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Manwithaplan232 wrote:
Phienn,

like Sir Henry Rawlinson, I have sat reading your comments and following this story quite closely as I live in the local area and to be honest, I don't have much dealings with travellers apart from at the cinema on Sundays when extra security are required to manage the children (and teenagers) who pay to see one movie but end up in there all day and often found and forced out...

Now my main point is... You have certainly picked the best country in the world to buy some land and build illegal housing. The United Kingdom has always been a haven for those less fortunate and we've always had open arms for those in times of distress or need however, I am sad to say that unfortunately the population have got fed up with those who abuse the system, overstay their welcome or generally flout the rules.

If I were to buy a piece of land and build a house on it - I would expect the council to be round, serving me notice and if not complied with then knocking it down... Being Welsh (no jokes please), this would not be because I am welsh but because I have broken planning rules... And actually how dare you compare your situation to ethnic cleansing - Ethnic cleansing is a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.... this situation is not that, You've settled and built on land against the law of the land and Central and Local Government (Both elected by the population) have told you to leave and you refuse too... You are lucky you have been left for ten years.

Started of well then the old red mist descended...take a deep breath...

so kids messing in the cinema by staying on to watch more than they should...im sure god will punish them in time for that.

In many countries if you buy land build you are not evicted or the property tore down.. especially after you have been advised by a cabinet minsister to do just that, Mr Michael Howard.

The people of Dale Farm are English and have perhaps more right to be in England than yourself you might think...How can you overstay your time in your own country? The residents of Dale Farm are also residents of basildon and of the populace of England and the UK...The Residents have not built houses anywhere on dale farm...that is part of the myth..Ethnic cleansing has been mentioned and accepted by some as being the case and not by others...its a matter of personal opinion...you have yours i have mine and they have theirs...to the people of dale farm should be left the final word on what it is for it is them suffering the actions...it might surprise you to know that the majority of the populace DIDNT vote for either the central government or indeed the local...as for you last comment, that is of course your own opinion which taking that opinion into context with the rest of your post could be considered... prejudiced but of course you are welcome to it...

"The Residents have not built houses anywhere on dale farm" - HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? I'VE DRIVEN PAST!, I'VE GOOGLE MAPPED IT, I'VE SEEN THE DOCUMENTARY ON BBC1... THEY HAVE BUILD HOUSES, WALLS, ROADS!!!! How can you say that? Idiot.

As for the view that the Central Government and Local Government are not elected - What are General and Local Elections' for? Are the people on Dale Farm registered for vote? I certainly hope so...

How can it be ethnic cleansing? there has been no threat of violence, no threat of harm - nothing! If you move on now (as many courts and legal systems have told you to do) then there will be no need for reasonable force to be used.

hatch201 wrote:
If you put your hand in to a fire there is a very good chance you will get burnt!

If you build any structure which requires plannnig permission with out first getting the required permission there is a good chance that it will be pulled down.

I very much doubt the residents would carry out point 1 so using the same logic why would they carry out point 2

Bobz01 wrote:
Tonights Echo is an excellent read..... in particular pages 28, 45, 46, 47......... I do hope these allegations are investigated by the police & social security......... fraud squad & whoever else.........a big "well done" to the Echo.....

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Manwithaplan232 wrote:

Phienn wrote: You are such a fool that i pity you...you give your opinion as if it was fact...Do you know any of the people personally? Do you know where they were born? How many were born in the UK and how many in ireland...info and evidence...do you have it? The people who were born before 1994! how would a future bill cause them to come to the UK to avoid such a bill if it hadnt been passed...They were born here...none of the councillors or press suggest they wasnt...they talk in genreal terms about Ireland but dont state the residents are not Uk citizens...your so rabid you cant see clearly...more stereotypical claptrap.. Any Comment on the council's suspending meetings to fraught their own constitution? Which is causing the social sites to twin basildon with ugliness? comment? btw as for losers...you are really not one to comment on such things...Did you know Shayne Ward perhaps your girlfriend buys his records is an Irish traveller? David Essex (lol) he of the 70s/80s singing fame, perhaps your mother and aunties bought his records and watches him on eastenders, you prob watch it to, is an Irish traveller, Are you a football fan? The man most England supporters depend on to win games and get them into the world cup is an irish Traveller.. losers...get real...travellers are the last freemen in this country...

Phienn... I couldn't care less where you are born.. I am happy to accept anyone to this country like we've done for hundreds of years but on a couple of rules... the most important in my book is that you OBEY the LAW!

do you obey the law? every law? all the time? If you do then you are a very special person...in fact you are probably not a person but a machine...everyone breaks the law at some time...think about it...now you will start to qualify the laws into serious to not so serious...but thats not the point...breaking the law which is what you are harping on about is breaking the law regardless of what law...

Err yes I do obey the law most of the time, never even had a speed ticket and the only parking ticket I ever had was thirty years ago, but his doesn't make me special at all, just normal, and this shows your cavalier attitude to the law for what it is.
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Goodbyeee suckers x

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
Tonights Echo is an excellent read..... in particular pages 28, 45, 46, 47......... I do hope these allegations are investigated by the police & social security......... fraud squad & whoever else.........a big "well done" to the Echo.....

Keep buying the paper bozo...its what they want...

Bobz01 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
Tonights Echo is an excellent read..... in particular pages 28, 45, 46, 47......... I do hope these allegations are investigated by the police & social security......... fraud squad & whoever else.........a big "well done" to the Echo.....

Keep buying the paper bozo...its what they want...

I most certainly will, especially when they aint afraid of printing the TRUTH!!

& to be honest it makes far better reading than any of your drivel...... Bozo.........

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
Tonights Echo is an excellent read..... in particular pages 28, 45, 46, 47......... I do hope these allegations are investigated by the police & social security......... fraud squad & whoever else.........a big "well done" to the Echo.....

Keep buying the paper bozo...its what they want...

I most certainly will, especially when they aint afraid of printing the TRUTH!!

& to be honest it makes far better reading than any of your drivel...... Bozo.........

a newspaper printing the truth lol...bozo by name bozo by nature too...NO ONE believes newspapers print the truth...not even newspaper owners/editors..each newspapers should have the disclaimer "for entertaining purposes only" i have often wondered why more phychristrist's dont advertise in British newspapers...would be like fishing in a barrel for them..

Phienn says...
7:39pm Fri 9 Sep 11

Bobz01 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Bobz01 wrote:
Tonights Echo is an excellent read..... in particular pages 28, 45, 46, 47......... I do hope these allegations are investigated by the police & social security......... fraud squad & whoever else.........a big "well done" to the Echo.....

Keep buying the paper bozo...its what they want...

I most certainly will, especially when they aint afraid of printing the TRUTH!!

& to be honest it makes far better reading than any of your drivel...... Bozo.........

a newspaper printing the truth lol...bozo by name bozo by nature too...NO ONE believes newspapers print the truth...not even newspaper owners/editors..each newspapers should have the disclaimer "for entertaining purposes only" i have often wondered why more phychristrist's dont advertise in British newspapers...would be like fishing in a barrel for them..

yep, thats just about the response I expected......... you are funny..... lol lol......

I reckon the Police/Fraud squad & Social security will be checking these statements out though, this will be very interesting.........

.........

I will alter my last remark slightly..... even the ADVERTS make better reading than your drivel!!! ..... Bozo.............

Oh we're going to wrote:

Phienn says...
7:39pm Fri 9 Sep 11

Byeeeeeeeee, be sure to take your rubbish with you.

Oh we're going to wrote:
Byeeeeeeeee!

Phienn wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Manwithaplan232 wrote:

Phienn wrote: You are such a fool that i pity you...you give your opinion as if it was fact...Do you know any of the people personally? Do you know where they were born? How many were born in the UK and how many in ireland...info and evidence...do you have it? The people who were born before 1994! how would a future bill cause them to come to the UK to avoid such a bill if it hadnt been passed...They were born here...none of the councillors or press suggest they wasnt...they talk in genreal terms about Ireland but dont state the residents are not Uk citizens...your so rabid you cant see clearly...more stereotypical claptrap.. Any Comment on the council's suspending meetings to fraught their own constitution? Which is causing the social sites to twin basildon with ugliness? comment? btw as for losers...you are really not one to comment on such things...Did you know Shayne Ward perhaps your girlfriend buys his records is an Irish traveller? David Essex (lol) he of the 70s/80s singing fame, perhaps your mother and aunties bought his records and watches him on eastenders, you prob watch it to, is an Irish traveller, Are you a football fan? The man most England supporters depend on to win games and get them into the world cup is an irish Traveller.. losers...get real...travellers are the last freemen in this country...

Phienn... I couldn't care less where you are born.. I am happy to accept anyone to this country like we've done for hundreds of years but on a couple of rules... the most important in my book is that you OBEY the LAW!

do you obey the law? every law? all the time? If you do then you are a very special person...in fact you are probably not a person but a machine...everyone breaks the law at some time...think about it...now you will start to qualify the laws into serious to not so serious...but thats not the point...breaking the law which is what you are harping on about is breaking the law regardless of what law...

Err yes I do obey the law most of the time, never even had a speed ticket and the only parking ticket I ever had was thirty years ago, but his doesn't make me special at all, just normal, and this shows your cavalier attitude to the law for what it is. . Goodbyeee suckers x

The important part of your post is "I do obey the law most of the time" that isn't all of the time is it...many of the residents could say exactly the same thing...so you are allowed to break the law when you do but you wont allow anyone else to do so... hypocrisy in anyones language.. didn't someone say 'those who havent broken the law cast the first fine"

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Aint it just the truth wrote:

Phienn wrote:

Manwithaplan232 wrote:

Phienn wrote: You are such a fool that i pity you...you give your opinion as if it was fact...Do you know any of the people personally? Do you know where they were born? How many were born in the UK and how many in ireland...info and evidence...do you have it? The people who were born before 1994! how would a future bill cause them to come to the UK to avoid such a bill if it hadnt been passed...They were born here...none of the councillors or press suggest they wasnt...they talk in genreal terms about Ireland but dont state the residents are not Uk citizens...your so rabid you cant see clearly...more stereotypical claptrap.. Any Comment on the council's suspending meetings to fraught their own constitution? Which is causing the social sites to twin basildon with ugliness? comment? btw as for losers...you are really not one to comment on such things...Did you know Shayne Ward perhaps your girlfriend buys his records is an Irish traveller? David Essex (lol) he of the 70s/80s singing fame, perhaps your mother and aunties bought his records and watches him on eastenders, you prob watch it to, is an Irish traveller, Are you a football fan? The man most England supporters depend on to win games and get them into the world cup is an irish Traveller.. losers...get real...travellers are the last freemen in this country...

Phienn... I couldn't care less where you are born.. I am happy to accept anyone to this country like we've done for hundreds of years but on a couple of rules... the most important in my book is that you OBEY the LAW!

do you obey the law? every law? all the time? If you do then you are a very special person...in fact you are probably not a person but a machine...everyone breaks the law at some time...think about it...now you will start to qualify the laws into serious to not so serious...but thats not the point...breaking the law which is what you are harping on about is breaking the law regardless of what law...

Err yes I do obey the law most of the time, never even had a speed ticket and the only parking ticket I ever had was thirty years ago, but his doesn't make me special at all, just normal, and this shows your cavalier attitude to the law for what it is. . Goodbyeee suckers x

The important part of your post is "I do obey the law most of the time" that isn't all of the time is it...many of the residents could say exactly the same thing...so you are allowed to break the law when you do but you wont allow anyone else to do so... hypocrisy in anyones language.. didn't someone say 'those who havent broken the law cast the first fine"

Well, I might break the speed limit occasionally but I don't have the total contempt for the law of the land that you lot do. And you wonder why we can't wait to see the back of you?
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Enjoy your protest march over the weekend, I hear a hurricane and torrential rain are due. Ho ho!

trell wrote:
Phienn - You've fought a good verbal fight here, but no matter what you say, it won't change a thing.

I did have a good look at the Human Rights articles you numbered, and I can't see what exactly is wrong.

I'm fed up with your constant insistence that it is a human rights thing. You have said nothing constructive at all on this forum, or anything to make the general public consider the travellers more symapthetically.

Like it or not, you've become a troll on this forum, degrading every post made, and insisting you are right without even attempting to contemplate the other side of the argument.

You can reply to this post if you want, degrade it, say I'm wrong, whatever, but the fight is over. The fat lady sung, and all the travellers seem to be doing is more denial.

It's pathetic.

Phienn wrote:

APR wrote:
Ah well, it looks like the P*k*ys know when they are onto a good thing, and have decided to move onto the legal part of the site.
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Unless this is just a delaying tactic on their behalf ?
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I expect the student protesters who are helping them to compile emails, will have to go back to school soon ?

i see you have taken to half call names...what a moral coward you are, your quite sickening! Dont believe everything you read in the paper...ever thought this is a tactic to try disrupt the countrywide support for the Farm? or to disrupt the massive march planned for tomorrow?...its all tactics but played by the council...The human rights activists are a sign that this country hasn't completely sunk into a cesspit of moral decay...The foreign HRA will take back the lessons they have learnt here of the tactics of Basildon the ugly...

trell says...
2:56pm Sat 10 Sep 11

Do you know what, I don't think he will...

trell says...
2:57pm Sat 10 Sep 11

the protestors at Camp Constant would think twice....

Oh we're going to wrote:
Well said trell, I would like to see Phienn respond to that!!

patternmaker wrote:
Well done Trell, what you have said puts everything in perspective, I hope all the celebrity do gooders and activists read your post and best of all
shut Phienn up.

Aint it just the truth wrote:
I see it is reported in the press today that many of the Dale Farm gang own properties in Eire so their claims that they have nowhere else to live are total rubbish. This is why we don't like you Phienn and whu we'll be glad to see the back of you, because you are liars, cheats and rogues. Ha ha! Good riddance to bad rubbish!

pispizzle wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-bed

s-bucks-herts-148713

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worth a read - is this the reason for wanting to stay

pispizzle wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-bed

s-bucks-herts-148713

18

worth a read - is this the reason for wanting to stay

Bobz01 wrote:

pispizzle wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/uk-england-bed


s-bucks-herts-148713


18

worth a read - is this the reason for wanting to stay

Its on the Beeb news now mate......... cant say Im surprised, yet more disgusting criminal activities form so called "travellers"...
.....
. I dont see what difference it makes as to what county its in........ it only adds to the evidence!!! lets hope they get whats coming to them... Slavery ffs!!!!

Diannah wrote:
Very good post Trell.

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote:

Diannah wrote: Very good post Trell.

Great contribution.

Diannah wrote:

ItscalledspinIcallit

lying wrote:

Diannah wrote: Very good post Trell.

Great contribution.

Oh sorry - aren't we allowed to make a comment unless it is to agree with you?

Mary Lou wrote:
SO ItscalledspinIcallit

lying the news that 24 men have been released by the police from a Bedfordshire traveller site puts things into perspective. 4 travellers have been arrested under the slavery and servitude act. These 24 men , british, lithuanian, polish, russian, were held against their will as SLAVES in filthy conditions. It has been quoted in horse boxes, a kennel and half starved and forced to do heavy manual labour.
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So would all the supporters of travellers who claim that traveller human rights are being breached care to comment on these traveller "SLAVES" human rights.

Phienn wrote:

hatch201 wrote:
If you put your hand in to a fire there is a very good chance you will get burnt!

If you build any structure which requires plannnig permission with out first getting the required permission there is a good chance that it will be pulled down.


I very much doubt the residents would carry out point 1 so using the same logic why would they carry out point 2

Tesco often build without planning permission...how often do you hear about them having the place pulled down around them? you all want fairness, is it fair to evict people from their homes and not so a business part of a global corporation?

on an amusing point the captcha i had to type in to submit the post was 'Gorgias'

APR wrote:
"......John the resonator says...
2:50pm Mon 12 Sep 11
Actually Phienn and Youcallitspinicallit



lying seem to have gone quiet. Possibly in light of last night's news they find themselves supporting the unsupportable.......

"
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Perhaps they have gone back to school ?

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote:

patternmaker wrote: Well done Trell, what you have said puts everything in perspective, I hope all the celebrity do gooders and activists read your post and best of all shut Phienn up.

You'd like people who don't agree with you to shut up wouldn't you?

patternmaker wrote:

ItscalledspinIcallit

lying wrote:

patternmaker wrote: Well done Trell, what you have said puts everything in perspective, I hope all the celebrity do gooders and activists read your post and best of all shut Phienn up.

You'd like people who don't agree with you to shut up wouldn't you?

Unlike you I only deal in facts, as a Castle Point Council tax payer,
income tax payer & N I contributor and someone who has fought for Queen and Country is it any wonder I that I don't agree with people like you.

APR wrote:
Indeed, it sounds like the rantings of a first year student, who is a member of the college debating society.

APR wrote:
"......John the resonator says...
2:50pm Mon 12 Sep 11
Actually Phienn and Youcallitspinicallit



lying seem to have gone quiet. Possibly in light of last night's news they find themselves supporting the unsupportable.......

"
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Perhaps they have gone back to school ?

Diannah wrote:
You are right, Youcallitspinicallit

lying, I haven't made any great contribution to this debate but when I have commented, I have been met with personal insults from only 2 people - yourself and Phienn.

It doesn't upset me, only proves how ignorant the pair of you are. You say you are not from Essex but protest very loudly against the evictions. I wonder if maybe the root of all this is that you are just worried where the travellers will end up after the evictions. Next door to you maybe?

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote:

APR wrote:
"......John the resonator says...
2:50pm Mon 12 Sep 11
Actually Phienn and Youcallitspinicallit




lying seem to have gone quiet. Possibly in light of last night's news they find themselves supporting the unsupportable.......


"
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Perhaps they have gone back to school ?

I am still struggling to understand what relevance 'last night's news' has to do with a planning issue. Isn't that what posters keep telling us, that this is simply about breaking planning laws and nothing else?You my friend appear to be promoting the idea that all people identified as the same race are all equally culpable or guilty.

What should we make of this?

Three people have been jailed for life for murdering a woman with learning disabilities in Warwickshire who was beaten and forced to drink urine.

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote:
There is widespread stereotyping of the communities as being engaged in criminal activity (Greenfields, 2006; James, 2005; Power, 2004). This is expressed through public and media allegations of rises in crime when Travellers enter a neighbourhood, despite evidence to the contrary, both locally and nationally. For example, as Morris and Clements (1999, p. 3) state: 'ACPO continues to assert that they have no disproportionate problems with criminality in the Travelling population'. Dawson (2000) found similar levels of criminal activity in the Traveller and non-Traveller populations. However, the suspicion with which Travellers are regarded means they are likely to be reported by neighbours or targeted unfairly by the police.

http://www.equalityh

umanrights.com/uploa

ded_files/research/1

2inequalities_experi

enced_by_gypsy_and_t

raveller_communities

_a_review.pdf

ItscalledspinIcallit
lying wrote:

patternmaker wrote:

ItscalledspinIcallit lying wrote:

patternmaker wrote: Well done Trell, what you have said puts everything in perspective, I hope all the celebrity do gooders and activists read your post and best of all shut Phienn up.

You'd like people who don't agree with you to shut up wouldn't you?

Unlike you I only deal in facts, as a Castle Point Council tax payer, income tax payer & N I contributor and someone who has fought for Queen and Country is it any wonder I that I don't agree with people like you.

It's plainly obvious we disagree but I don't recall telling anyone to shut up on account of them having a different view to me. As for all your other points, apart from being in the Armed Forces, I am all of those things so i'm not sure why you have elevated yourself above me in the moral stakes? I can't recall any of your "facts"?