‘Ridiculous’ fine for not moving car for firemen

Basildon Recorder: Marilyn and Clarence Kingston outside their home Marilyn and Clarence Kingston outside their home

A MAN was fined for refusing to move his car out of the way of firefighters who were trying to reach an incident in Laindon.

But Clarence Kingston, 72, who pleaded guilty to a charge of obstruction, believes he should never have been taken to court in the first place.

His actions have been condemned by Tony Hedley, chairman of the Essex Fire Authority, who said firefighters should be allowed to get on with their jobs and lives could be lost if people obstruct them while they are working.

Basildon Magistrates’ Court heard yesterday how fire crews were called to an incident in Mellow Purgess Close, Laindon, last month.

Mr Kingston failed to move his car when the firefighters wanted to put a ladder on his driveway to get into the flat above his property, where a smoke alarm was going off.

After pleading guilty, he was fined £100, ordered to pay costs of £85 and a £15 victim surcharge.

Speaking after the case, Mr Kingston, who is disabled and went into court on his mobility scooter, said: “I think the fine is extremely unfair and I cannot believe it has come to court.

“We have so many alarms going off round where we live, I didn’t think anything of it.

“Then, out of nowhere, at 9.30pm we had all these firemen banging on our front door.

“It wasn’t even quiet, and it seemed they were all being over the top for no reason.

“My wife was just about to go to bed and I didn’t want her to have to go out and move the car for no reason.”

Marilyn Kingston, 58, who is her husband’s full-time carer, added: “I had just got home from bingo and I was just getting ready to go to bed when we heard all this commotion outside.

“After we told the firemen they could have got into the flat by breaking the door of the flat down, which was surely the easiest route in, we had about six police officers on my husband who arrested him.

“There wasn’t even a fire. It was just that someone had left the oven on in the flat above us. It was ridiculous.”

Mr Hedley, who is a councillor for Billericay and Burstead, warned people against taking this stance with the emergency services.

He added: “I have honestly never heard of another case where a member of the public has obstructed firefighters.

“Most people are really pleased when they see the crews turn up and always try to be as helpful as possible.

“I wouldn’t recommend anyone do this again, because lives could be lost while the firefighters are trying to do their jobs.”

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11:20am Mon 7 May 12

itwillhappenoneday says...

Very selfish of Mr Kingston. Just because “We have so many alarms going off round where we live, I didn’t think anything of it" does not mean that this/next time it is nothing. Fire alarms are in place to save lives and one day it could be you...oh but because people hear alarms going off they may not think anything of yours, then you will be moaning! Deserve all the fines!
Very selfish of Mr Kingston. Just because “We have so many alarms going off round where we live, I didn’t think anything of it" does not mean that this/next time it is nothing. Fire alarms are in place to save lives and one day it could be you...oh but because people hear alarms going off they may not think anything of yours, then you will be moaning! Deserve all the fines! itwillhappenoneday
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11:27am Mon 7 May 12

Dids says...

I bet he would have moved it if his own house had been on fire.I have never heard anything so stupid as what this bloke has done,how did he know a fire was NOT above him,could have been as it seems an oven had been left on.
Just read up some fire legislation and you would not believe the powers that the firefighters have for access to properties even if they are not directly connected to the fire
I bet he would have moved it if his own house had been on fire.I have never heard anything so stupid as what this bloke has done,how did he know a fire was NOT above him,could have been as it seems an oven had been left on. Just read up some fire legislation and you would not believe the powers that the firefighters have for access to properties even if they are not directly connected to the fire Dids
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11:28am Mon 7 May 12

P Church says...

Agreed with the above comment.

I would like to ask Mr Kingston what his reaction would be if his home was burning down and someone else blocked access to the fire brigade and as a result of their selfish actions they lost their home?!

The fact he stated that he didn't want his wife to go back out again to move the car beggars belief. And how was he to know that it wasn't on fire above? Does he know the lottery numbers for each draw?

This world has become full of beaters and whingers who when caught, instead of owning up and being honest about it, want to blame everyone else but themselves.

I can see the angle he's pushing for, elderly, disabled, pensioners. Well tough! The laws don't stop just because of those conditions.

If he had asked one of them to move the car because of these reasons I'm sure they would have understood and been happy too, but blatant refusal?! Disgusting!

You're lucky they didn't drag your car out the way which they had every right to do!
Agreed with the above comment. I would like to ask Mr Kingston what his reaction would be if his home was burning down and someone else blocked access to the fire brigade and as a result of their selfish actions they lost their home?! The fact he stated that he didn't want his wife to go back out again to move the car beggars belief. And how was he to know that it wasn't on fire above? Does he know the lottery numbers for each draw? This world has become full of beaters and whingers who when caught, instead of owning up and being honest about it, want to blame everyone else but themselves. I can see the angle he's pushing for, elderly, disabled, pensioners. Well tough! The laws don't stop just because of those conditions. If he had asked one of them to move the car because of these reasons I'm sure they would have understood and been happy too, but blatant refusal?! Disgusting! You're lucky they didn't drag your car out the way which they had every right to do! P Church
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11:32am Mon 7 May 12

Davey B says...

Your an idiot, a selfish pr4tt, and if I was the Magistrate I would have fined you so much more. Words fail me.
Your an idiot, a selfish pr4tt, and if I was the Magistrate I would have fined you so much more. Words fail me. Davey B
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11:34am Mon 7 May 12

doggonepup says...

What an idiot. The actions and complaints of these people are indefencible.....it'
s a shame they weren't fined more
What an idiot. The actions and complaints of these people are indefencible.....it' s a shame they weren't fined more doggonepup
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11:37am Mon 7 May 12

Alan Jacobs says...

Stupid old git.
I bet he'd be singin' 'n' dancin' to the authorities if someone blocked the pavement outside his place and stopped him getting his mobility scooter out.
No sympathy whatsoever for a typical cantancrass old sod!
Stupid old git. I bet he'd be singin' 'n' dancin' to the authorities if someone blocked the pavement outside his place and stopped him getting his mobility scooter out. No sympathy whatsoever for a typical cantancrass old sod! Alan Jacobs
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11:40am Mon 7 May 12

minesabud says...

I would have fined them more! You should be ashamed of yourselves Mr and Mrs Kingston
I would have fined them more! You should be ashamed of yourselves Mr and Mrs Kingston minesabud
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11:49am Mon 7 May 12

GentleGiant says...

it is not often I agree with everyone else!

Very selfish and he deserved to be taken to court.
it is not often I agree with everyone else! Very selfish and he deserved to be taken to court. GentleGiant
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11:50am Mon 7 May 12

thesouthendone says...

What an absolute waste of space, Who in there right mind would want to be in the paper for this.
Well done the Echo though for giving him a platform from which he can be ridiculed by all!!!
What an absolute waste of space, Who in there right mind would want to be in the paper for this. Well done the Echo though for giving him a platform from which he can be ridiculed by all!!! thesouthendone
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12:19pm Mon 7 May 12

Nebs says...

A full time carer, who had just got back from bingo.
A full time carer, who had just got back from bingo. Nebs
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12:27pm Mon 7 May 12

Saxonpride says...

I wonder how much he shelled out for those walking sticks. It always pays to have a few props when the papers come knocking.
You know, just to eek out every little bit of sympathy you can.
Parasite.
I wonder how much he shelled out for those walking sticks. It always pays to have a few props when the papers come knocking. You know, just to eek out every little bit of sympathy you can. Parasite. Saxonpride
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12:35pm Mon 7 May 12

Jodaius says...

What an idiotic thing to do, and then to run to the paper as if somehow he's been treated unfairly. If it was me I'd be embarrassed, I certainly wouldn't want it in the Echo!
What an idiotic thing to do, and then to run to the paper as if somehow he's been treated unfairly. If it was me I'd be embarrassed, I certainly wouldn't want it in the Echo! Jodaius
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12:40pm Mon 7 May 12

doasilikey says...

King Idiot.
King Idiot. doasilikey
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1:11pm Mon 7 May 12

JH_123 says...

Its a shame they couldn't put the window through and take off the handbrake!
Its a shame they couldn't put the window through and take off the handbrake! JH_123
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1:37pm Mon 7 May 12

Nurse2110 says...

Words fail me!! What a complete idiot..... I cannot even believe this man would even agree to have his picture taken, he clearly thinks people will side with him because he has two walking sticks!!!! He put people lives at risk and also those of the firemen who obviously didn't know if there was a fire or not, I hope he would of been able to live with himself had there been a real fire and someone had been hurt. I seriously am shocked!
Words fail me!! What a complete idiot..... I cannot even believe this man would even agree to have his picture taken, he clearly thinks people will side with him because he has two walking sticks!!!! He put people lives at risk and also those of the firemen who obviously didn't know if there was a fire or not, I hope he would of been able to live with himself had there been a real fire and someone had been hurt. I seriously am shocked! Nurse2110
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1:38pm Mon 7 May 12

Algus says...

Deserves all he got and more. Idiot.
Deserves all he got and more. Idiot. Algus
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2:09pm Mon 7 May 12

Brunning999 says...

If he is standing there moaning to the Echo about being nicked for obstructing the fire brigade.

The only help I could give him is kicking his walking stick out from under his selfish fat r's.
If he is standing there moaning to the Echo about being nicked for obstructing the fire brigade. The only help I could give him is kicking his walking stick out from under his selfish fat r's. Brunning999
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2:13pm Mon 7 May 12

Doughnut says...

You didn't want to go and move the car for no reason ? It was the FIRE BRIGADE, you wally ! So, so selfish...and running to paper shows you up for what you are..
You didn't want to go and move the car for no reason ? It was the FIRE BRIGADE, you wally ! So, so selfish...and running to paper shows you up for what you are.. Doughnut
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2:31pm Mon 7 May 12

Nebs says...

I have never felt the need to park across someones driveway. Ever. Until now.
I have never felt the need to park across someones driveway. Ever. Until now. Nebs
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2:48pm Mon 7 May 12

jackboy123 says...

well i beg to differ,if i did not like my neighbour then i would not move either,thats prob y he refused.!!!some people in life do make u feel that way !!
well i beg to differ,if i did not like my neighbour then i would not move either,thats prob y he refused.!!!some people in life do make u feel that way !! jackboy123
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2:48pm Mon 7 May 12

southendshrimper says...

It's not very often everyone agrees on a story! I bet he would be screaming & shouting if a car blocked his way. Stupid old sod.
It's not very often everyone agrees on a story! I bet he would be screaming & shouting if a car blocked his way. Stupid old sod. southendshrimper
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2:52pm Mon 7 May 12

jackboy123 says...

(for arguments sake.)i bet if u all found out that he was on the register then you all would agree with him.!! lets face it thats the problem with this british society,very judge mental.!!!!
(for arguments sake.)i bet if u all found out that he was on the register then you all would agree with him.!! lets face it thats the problem with this british society,very judge mental.!!!! jackboy123
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3:09pm Mon 7 May 12

keithrg says...

The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments.
The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments. keithrg
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3:10pm Mon 7 May 12

bazaarhorse says...

He pleaded guilty but thought it should not have gone to court. Says it all really ! Brunning999 always takes it one step further, you too are an idiot.
He pleaded guilty but thought it should not have gone to court. Says it all really ! Brunning999 always takes it one step further, you too are an idiot. bazaarhorse
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3:11pm Mon 7 May 12

keithrg says...

What if the car was on axle stands ect ect. There was alternatives and the should have used them. The Fire brigade Turned up Unpreppared.
What if the car was on axle stands ect ect. There was alternatives and the should have used them. The Fire brigade Turned up Unpreppared. keithrg
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3:39pm Mon 7 May 12

doggonepup says...

the fire brigade were prepared to deal with an idiot who got in the way...hence this idiot went to court and pleaded guilty.....you don't plead guilty if you are innocent.
the fire brigade were prepared to deal with an idiot who got in the way...hence this idiot went to court and pleaded guilty.....you don't plead guilty if you are innocent. doggonepup
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3:43pm Mon 7 May 12

Jodaius says...

keithrg wrote:
The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments.
I suspect you are probably just a troll, but I will bite anyway...

If he wasn't in, I'm sure the fire brigade would have found alternative access, as they ultimately did. However, the point is that he was in, and he wilfully and deliberately obstructed the emergency services. That is indefensible. There is NO excuse.

And as for being charged with a 'false call', if I heard a smoke alarm sounding in someone's house, I would knock on the door first, but if there was no answer, I probably would call the fire brigade. After all, there could be people trapped inside suffering from smoke inhalation. And you clearly haven't read the story properly because in this case someone had left the oven on. If it was producing enough smoke to set off the alarm, who's to say it would not have developed into a full-blown fire if not attended to? I wonder how Mr Kingston would have reacted to his home catching fire?
[quote][p][bold]keithrg[/bold] wrote: The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are probably just a troll, but I will bite anyway... If he wasn't in, I'm sure the fire brigade would have found alternative access, as they ultimately did. However, the point is that he was in, and he wilfully and deliberately obstructed the emergency services. That is indefensible. There is NO excuse. And as for being charged with a 'false call', if I heard a smoke alarm sounding in someone's house, I would knock on the door first, but if there was no answer, I probably would call the fire brigade. After all, there could be people trapped inside suffering from smoke inhalation. And you clearly haven't read the story properly because in this case someone had left the oven on. If it was producing enough smoke to set off the alarm, who's to say it would not have developed into a full-blown fire if not attended to? I wonder how Mr Kingston would have reacted to his home catching fire? Jodaius
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3:57pm Mon 7 May 12

shallotman says...

Pillock.
Pillock. shallotman
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4:01pm Mon 7 May 12

Soouthchurch59 says...

Jodaius wrote:
keithrg wrote:
The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments.
I suspect you are probably just a troll, but I will bite anyway...

If he wasn't in, I'm sure the fire brigade would have found alternative access, as they ultimately did. However, the point is that he was in, and he wilfully and deliberately obstructed the emergency services. That is indefensible. There is NO excuse.

And as for being charged with a 'false call', if I heard a smoke alarm sounding in someone's house, I would knock on the door first, but if there was no answer, I probably would call the fire brigade. After all, there could be people trapped inside suffering from smoke inhalation. And you clearly haven't read the story properly because in this case someone had left the oven on. If it was producing enough smoke to set off the alarm, who's to say it would not have developed into a full-blown fire if not attended to? I wonder how Mr Kingston would have reacted to his home catching fire?
'If it was producing enough smoke to set off the alarm, who's to say it would not have developed into a full-blown fire'

All the emergency services can be over officious at times, but the above occurred to me also.
[quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keithrg[/bold] wrote: The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are probably just a troll, but I will bite anyway... If he wasn't in, I'm sure the fire brigade would have found alternative access, as they ultimately did. However, the point is that he was in, and he wilfully and deliberately obstructed the emergency services. That is indefensible. There is NO excuse. And as for being charged with a 'false call', if I heard a smoke alarm sounding in someone's house, I would knock on the door first, but if there was no answer, I probably would call the fire brigade. After all, there could be people trapped inside suffering from smoke inhalation. And you clearly haven't read the story properly because in this case someone had left the oven on. If it was producing enough smoke to set off the alarm, who's to say it would not have developed into a full-blown fire if not attended to? I wonder how Mr Kingston would have reacted to his home catching fire?[/p][/quote]'If it was producing enough smoke to set off the alarm, who's to say it would not have developed into a full-blown fire' All the emergency services can be over officious at times, but the above occurred to me also. Soouthchurch59
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4:23pm Mon 7 May 12

boozybex says...

dear mr Kingston in future you will learn by your mistakes. when asked by the fire service to move your vehicle you move it no questions asked or simply give your keys to the nearest essex county fire & rescue personnel.where they will move it for you they are insured stupid man
dear mr Kingston in future you will learn by your mistakes. when asked by the fire service to move your vehicle you move it no questions asked or simply give your keys to the nearest essex county fire & rescue personnel.where they will move it for you they are insured stupid man boozybex
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4:30pm Mon 7 May 12

whataday says...

Seeing as he's disabled would have thought he would've co-operated fully particularly in mind if there had been a fire and it spread to his property and he was made homeless how long does he think he would have to wait for suitable accommodation to meet his needs
Seeing as he's disabled would have thought he would've co-operated fully particularly in mind if there had been a fire and it spread to his property and he was made homeless how long does he think he would have to wait for suitable accommodation to meet his needs whataday
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4:30pm Mon 7 May 12

psorias says...

Time is of the essence when the fire brigade are on a call, even if a fire had not yet broken out, they would want to deal with the problem quickly so they would be ready for any other more serious shouts. If they had have been delayed getting to another call and some one had died then I would have like the Kingston's charged with man slaughter. Now I know that didn't happen but I just wanted to show the contempt I feel for the Kingstons
Time is of the essence when the fire brigade are on a call, even if a fire had not yet broken out, they would want to deal with the problem quickly so they would be ready for any other more serious shouts. If they had have been delayed getting to another call and some one had died then I would have like the Kingston's charged with man slaughter. Now I know that didn't happen but I just wanted to show the contempt I feel for the Kingstons psorias
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4:52pm Mon 7 May 12

firedog says...

Why has he got walking sticks,when his disability appears
to be mental.
Why has he got walking sticks,when his disability appears to be mental. firedog
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5:08pm Mon 7 May 12

tricklesthegreek says...

Agree with most on here - never knowingly obstruct a fire officer from doing their job. It's irrelevant that they were attending a call that an oven had been left on. They were called and attending and doing the job that we pay them to do. I wouldn't have the audacity to argue with a fire officer, a police officer - any service that is trying to help others for that matter. Fair enough if he's disabled, chuck them the keys and say 'I can't move it but I give you permission to'. Why that wasn't done I don't understand. I won't sit here and insult the man but I certainly will sit here and wonder if there is any excuse for ever wilfully preventing someone in the emergency services from doing their job. At present I'm stumped.
Agree with most on here - never knowingly obstruct a fire officer from doing their job. It's irrelevant that they were attending a call that an oven had been left on. They were called and attending and doing the job that we pay them to do. I wouldn't have the audacity to argue with a fire officer, a police officer - any service that is trying to help others for that matter. Fair enough if he's disabled, chuck them the keys and say 'I can't move it but I give you permission to'. Why that wasn't done I don't understand. I won't sit here and insult the man but I certainly will sit here and wonder if there is any excuse for ever wilfully preventing someone in the emergency services from doing their job. At present I'm stumped. tricklesthegreek
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5:10pm Mon 7 May 12

Mudlark1 says...

Jodaius wrote:
keithrg wrote: The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments.
I suspect you are probably just a troll, but I will bite anyway... If he wasn't in, I'm sure the fire brigade would have found alternative access, as they ultimately did. However, the point is that he was in, and he wilfully and deliberately obstructed the emergency services. That is indefensible. There is NO excuse. And as for being charged with a 'false call', if I heard a smoke alarm sounding in someone's house, I would knock on the door first, but if there was no answer, I probably would call the fire brigade. After all, there could be people trapped inside suffering from smoke inhalation. And you clearly haven't read the story properly because in this case someone had left the oven on. If it was producing enough smoke to set off the alarm, who's to say it would not have developed into a full-blown fire if not attended to? I wonder how Mr Kingston would have reacted to his home catching fire?
Good post!!

Also worth mentioning is carbon monoxide detectors make the same noise as fire alarms, the difference being there is no smoke but it still kills. The fire service would never complain about someone calling them out if an alarm is heard even if ultimately it is a false alarm. Ultimately no lives are lost and in the end they can advise home owners about faulty alarms, dead ones tend not to listen!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jodaius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keithrg[/bold] wrote: The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are probably just a troll, but I will bite anyway... If he wasn't in, I'm sure the fire brigade would have found alternative access, as they ultimately did. However, the point is that he was in, and he wilfully and deliberately obstructed the emergency services. That is indefensible. There is NO excuse. And as for being charged with a 'false call', if I heard a smoke alarm sounding in someone's house, I would knock on the door first, but if there was no answer, I probably would call the fire brigade. After all, there could be people trapped inside suffering from smoke inhalation. And you clearly haven't read the story properly because in this case someone had left the oven on. If it was producing enough smoke to set off the alarm, who's to say it would not have developed into a full-blown fire if not attended to? I wonder how Mr Kingston would have reacted to his home catching fire?[/p][/quote]Good post!! Also worth mentioning is carbon monoxide detectors make the same noise as fire alarms, the difference being there is no smoke but it still kills. The fire service would never complain about someone calling them out if an alarm is heard even if ultimately it is a false alarm. Ultimately no lives are lost and in the end they can advise home owners about faulty alarms, dead ones tend not to listen!!!! Mudlark1
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5:11pm Mon 7 May 12

southendnan says...

A cooker had been left on in the property and set off the fire alarm which may have led to a fire if left unattended. The firefighters decided a ladder to the window was the quickest and least damaging way to enter the property and assess the situation. Don't the couple concerned realise that this was for their benefit aswell. If a fire had started in the upstairs property it could easily have spread to theirs in the time they were arguing about moving their car. Anyone who deliberately impedes the emergency services deserve all they get. Age or disabillity is no excuse.
A cooker had been left on in the property and set off the fire alarm which may have led to a fire if left unattended. The firefighters decided a ladder to the window was the quickest and least damaging way to enter the property and assess the situation. Don't the couple concerned realise that this was for their benefit aswell. If a fire had started in the upstairs property it could easily have spread to theirs in the time they were arguing about moving their car. Anyone who deliberately impedes the emergency services deserve all they get. Age or disabillity is no excuse. southendnan
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5:22pm Mon 7 May 12

Brunning999 says...

bazaarhorse wrote:
He pleaded guilty but thought it should not have gone to court. Says it all really ! Brunning999 always takes it one step further, you too are an idiot.
Really?

I bet your the same bloke that would be prepared to see someone die in a fire.

BECAUSE I BLOODY HAVE you are the idiot!
[quote][p][bold]bazaarhorse[/bold] wrote: He pleaded guilty but thought it should not have gone to court. Says it all really ! Brunning999 always takes it one step further, you too are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Really? I bet your the same bloke that would be prepared to see someone die in a fire. BECAUSE I BLOODY HAVE you are the idiot! Brunning999
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5:33pm Mon 7 May 12

Dids says...

Just wanted to be accurate on this,taken from Home Office Web Page re Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004. These are the powers firefighters have,This fella is damned lucky they didnt just drag his car away.

Powers of fire-fighters etc in an emergency etc

(1)An employee of a fire and rescue authority who is authorised in writing by the authority for the purposes of this section may do anything he reasonably believes to be necessary—
(a)if he reasonably believes a fire to have broken out or to be about to break out, for the purpose of extinguishing or preventing the fire or protecting life or property;
(b)if he reasonably believes a road traffic accident to have occurred, for the purpose of rescuing people or protecting them from serious harm;
(c)if he reasonably believes an emergency of another kind to have occurred, for the purpose of discharging any function conferred on the fire and rescue authority in relation to the emergency;
(d)for the purpose of preventing or limiting damage to property resulting from action taken as mentioned in paragraph (a), (b) or (c).
(2)In particular, an employee of a fire and rescue authority who is authorised as mentioned in subsection (1) may under that subsection—
(a)enter premises or a place, by force if necessary, without the consent of the owner or occupier of the premises or place;
(b)move or break into a vehicle without the consent of its owner;
(c)close a highway;
(d)stop and regulate traffic;
(e)restrict the access of persons to premises or a place.
(3)A person commits an offence if without reasonable excuse he obstructs or interferes with an employee of a fire and rescue authority taking action authorised under this section.
(4)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (3) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
Just wanted to be accurate on this,taken from Home Office Web Page re Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004. These are the powers firefighters have,This fella is damned lucky they didnt just drag his car away. Powers of fire-fighters etc in an emergency etc (1)An employee of a fire and rescue authority who is authorised in writing by the authority for the purposes of this section may do anything he reasonably believes to be necessary— (a)if he reasonably believes a fire to have broken out or to be about to break out, for the purpose of extinguishing or preventing the fire or protecting life or property; (b)if he reasonably believes a road traffic accident to have occurred, for the purpose of rescuing people or protecting them from serious harm; (c)if he reasonably believes an emergency of another kind to have occurred, for the purpose of discharging any function conferred on the fire and rescue authority in relation to the emergency; (d)for the purpose of preventing or limiting damage to property resulting from action taken as mentioned in paragraph (a), (b) or (c). (2)In particular, an employee of a fire and rescue authority who is authorised as mentioned in subsection (1) may under that subsection— (a)enter premises or a place, by force if necessary, without the consent of the owner or occupier of the premises or place; (b)move or break into a vehicle without the consent of its owner; (c)close a highway; (d)stop and regulate traffic; (e)restrict the access of persons to premises or a place. (3)A person commits an offence if without reasonable excuse he obstructs or interferes with an employee of a fire and rescue authority taking action authorised under this section. (4)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (3) is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale. Dids
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5:45pm Mon 7 May 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

My first reactions on reading these comments were, everyone was agreeing the man was in the wrong. I fully agreed, then reading on down you get some silly awkward people like jackboy, what on earth did his second comment mean, what register? and putting forward the silly obstacle of "if" you did not get on with your neighbour."If" nothing, how ridiculous,I bet you are young! And bazaarhorse, what comment by Brunning? i have only seen that he has "just " commented Or have they jumped out of order/Comment been removed. I cannot beleive the Kingstons took their story to the Echo. Last Point who put "ridiculous" in the headline. Surely not the Echo journo?? It was not a ridiculous fine, they deserved to be fined for obstruction.
My first reactions on reading these comments were, everyone was agreeing the man was in the wrong. I fully agreed, then reading on down you get some silly awkward people like jackboy, what on earth did his second comment mean, what register? and putting forward the silly obstacle of "if" you did not get on with your neighbour."If" nothing, how ridiculous,I bet you are young! And bazaarhorse, what comment by Brunning? i have only seen that he has "just " commented Or have they jumped out of order/Comment been removed. I cannot beleive the Kingstons took their story to the Echo. Last Point who put "ridiculous" in the headline. Surely not the Echo journo?? It was not a ridiculous fine, they deserved to be fined for obstruction. naughtyladyofshadylane
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5:48pm Mon 7 May 12

quick one says...

dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end
dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end quick one
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6:02pm Mon 7 May 12

Dids says...

quick one wrote:
dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end
What a fool you are,I havnt mentioned this before but i am a retired firefighter and to you and anyone else on a "Fireground" and that means anywhere the fire brigade are in attendance we have total control,I suggest you read my post 2 posts above this, Then shut up
[quote][p][bold]quick one[/bold] wrote: dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end[/p][/quote]What a fool you are,I havnt mentioned this before but i am a retired firefighter and to you and anyone else on a "Fireground" and that means anywhere the fire brigade are in attendance we have total control,I suggest you read my post 2 posts above this, Then shut up Dids
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6:12pm Mon 7 May 12

muffindamule says...

Hallo naughtylady !

You ask,

"Who put "ridiculous" in the headline. Surely not the Echo journo?? It was not a ridiculous fine, they deserved to be fined for obstruction".

That's why the word 'ridiculous' appears in inverted commas I think.
Hallo naughtylady ! You ask, "Who put "ridiculous" in the headline. Surely not the Echo journo?? It was not a ridiculous fine, they deserved to be fined for obstruction". That's why the word 'ridiculous' appears in inverted commas I think. muffindamule
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6:55pm Mon 7 May 12

lost_scotsman says...

quick one wrote:
dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end
Whilst we are all entitled to our opinion. It would be interesting to know. How you would feel if you or even a relative lost their property to fire, or even lost their life, because the fire service were obstructed and were unable to gain entry to the property fast enough. What this man has done is selfish and I fail to see how it can be defended in any way at all.
[quote][p][bold]quick one[/bold] wrote: dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end[/p][/quote]Whilst we are all entitled to our opinion. It would be interesting to know. How you would feel if you or even a relative lost their property to fire, or even lost their life, because the fire service were obstructed and were unable to gain entry to the property fast enough. What this man has done is selfish and I fail to see how it can be defended in any way at all. lost_scotsman
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6:57pm Mon 7 May 12

billericay boy says...

I would risk my life to save a life, as I have done in my past. Mr Kingston with your attitude, the saying is I wouldn't pisss on you if you was on fire, selfish git.
I would risk my life to save a life, as I have done in my past. Mr Kingston with your attitude, the saying is I wouldn't pisss on you if you was on fire, selfish git. billericay boy
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7:26pm Mon 7 May 12

mr.happy says...

Pig ignorant - A month inside would have taught him a better lesson!
Pig ignorant - A month inside would have taught him a better lesson! mr.happy
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7:31pm Mon 7 May 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

muffindamule, do you know, you could just be right !! My old Mum used to say, two heads are better than one. !! Is yours bigger? Dids agree with you, yes, he should shut up! Silly old fool!
muffindamule, do you know, you could just be right !! My old Mum used to say, two heads are better than one. !! Is yours bigger? Dids agree with you, yes, he should shut up! Silly old fool! naughtyladyofshadylane
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7:49pm Mon 7 May 12

soul man says...

they may want to get to your house one day, bet you would be peed off is someone did the same on the way to yours you ignorant idiot, bet you want all the favours under the sun cos you have two walking sticks, squeeling, ''i'm disabled''
they may want to get to your house one day, bet you would be peed off is someone did the same on the way to yours you ignorant idiot, bet you want all the favours under the sun cos you have two walking sticks, squeeling, ''i'm disabled'' soul man
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9:15pm Mon 7 May 12

v.randy says...

sort of fat scum-bag that typifys
the selfish me,me,me world that we have to live in.
'knows his rights not his responsibilities'
sort of fat scum-bag that typifys the selfish me,me,me world that we have to live in. 'knows his rights not his responsibilities' v.randy
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11:00pm Mon 7 May 12

andyh says...

Perhaps he had been fed up with this alarm "crying wolf" too many times in the past.
Perhaps he had been fed up with this alarm "crying wolf" too many times in the past. andyh
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11:27pm Mon 7 May 12

SaveOurStanford says...

What realy P155es me off this guy who is probally getting disabilty allowances, careers allowance, free car disabled scheme, tax, parking & Congestion charges, Free scooters and sticks and a Pensions all paid by me and others taxes is so selfish not to move his car in an emergancy when wifey was ready for bed yet can send his wife to bingo !!! What a knucke shuffle !!! Hope someone returns the favour to you .
What realy P155es me off this guy who is probally getting disabilty allowances, careers allowance, free car disabled scheme, tax, parking & Congestion charges, Free scooters and sticks and a Pensions all paid by me and others taxes is so selfish not to move his car in an emergancy when wifey was ready for bed yet can send his wife to bingo !!! What a knucke shuffle !!! Hope someone returns the favour to you . SaveOurStanford
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1:20am Tue 8 May 12

emcee says...

If Mr Kingston really thought it was a "ridiculous" fine or that he should not have been taken to court in the first place, he must have believed he was in the right. So, why then, did he plead guilty? One only pleads guilty if there is no defence abd is an admittance of wrongdoing. How, therefore, can all this be ridiculous, Mr Kingston. It is you who is being ridiculous.
If Mr Kingston really thought it was a "ridiculous" fine or that he should not have been taken to court in the first place, he must have believed he was in the right. So, why then, did he plead guilty? One only pleads guilty if there is no defence abd is an admittance of wrongdoing. How, therefore, can all this be ridiculous, Mr Kingston. It is you who is being ridiculous. emcee
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7:30am Tue 8 May 12

Brunning999 says...

bazaarhorse wrote:
He pleaded guilty but thought it should not have gone to court. Says it all really ! Brunning999 always takes it one step further, you too are an idiot.
You are in the minority of one that just typifies your acceptance of what is the actions of yet another selfish idiot!!
[quote][p][bold]bazaarhorse[/bold] wrote: He pleaded guilty but thought it should not have gone to court. Says it all really ! Brunning999 always takes it one step further, you too are an idiot.[/p][/quote]You are in the minority of one that just typifies your acceptance of what is the actions of yet another selfish idiot!! Brunning999
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8:41am Tue 8 May 12

openspace says...

I hope this guy and his wife read the comments above and find out what most people think of him. As Delboy would have said, "What a plonker!!". Since most of us do not fully understand the needs of the emergency services, we do the obvious and " when asked to move a vehicle, WE DO".
As to the comment about " break the door down, it's easier than us moving a car". How selfish can you get.
Apart from a couple of idiots, nice to see nearly all on these posts in ageement for a change.
I hope this guy and his wife read the comments above and find out what most people think of him. As Delboy would have said, "What a plonker!!". Since most of us do not fully understand the needs of the emergency services, we do the obvious and " when asked to move a vehicle, WE DO". As to the comment about " break the door down, it's easier than us moving a car". How selfish can you get. Apart from a couple of idiots, nice to see nearly all on these posts in ageement for a change. openspace
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8:53am Tue 8 May 12

openspace says...

keithrg wrote:
What if the car was on axle stands ect ect. There was alternatives and the should have used them. The Fire brigade Turned up Unpreppared.
The car was not on axle stands and the alternative would have involved damage to property, obvious to anyone with a reasonable number of brain cells, totally stupid comment !!!
[quote][p][bold]keithrg[/bold] wrote: What if the car was on axle stands ect ect. There was alternatives and the should have used them. The Fire brigade Turned up Unpreppared.[/p][/quote]The car was not on axle stands and the alternative would have involved damage to property, obvious to anyone with a reasonable number of brain cells, totally stupid comment !!! openspace
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10:54am Tue 8 May 12

whyteaswhyte says...

doasilikey wrote:
King Idiot.
This is a kind of name and shame -isn’t it? I hope nobody takes it upon themselves to make a vendetta against the convicted fool. I feel the Echo has an obligation to care for the local people; this story should not have been printed. However, if the Echo want to name and shame people how about naming and shaming the dog owners who fail to pick up their dogs mess in the parks, football pitches, woods, etc, etc, etc. where children play!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]doasilikey[/bold] wrote: King Idiot.[/p][/quote]This is a kind of name and shame -isn’t it? I hope nobody takes it upon themselves to make a vendetta against the convicted fool. I feel the Echo has an obligation to care for the local people; this story should not have been printed. However, if the Echo want to name and shame people how about naming and shaming the dog owners who fail to pick up their dogs mess in the parks, football pitches, woods, etc, etc, etc. where children play!!!!!! whyteaswhyte
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10:55am Tue 8 May 12

LibbyJ says...

Whilst I abhore the behaviour, lack of co-operation, selfishness, etc., etc., of this couple, I can't help wondering why no-one has picked up on the fact that the firemen could have gained access to the flat through the front door....
Whilst I abhore the behaviour, lack of co-operation, selfishness, etc., etc., of this couple, I can't help wondering why no-one has picked up on the fact that the firemen could have gained access to the flat through the front door.... LibbyJ
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11:11am Tue 8 May 12

bazaarhorse says...

Brunning999 wrote:
bazaarhorse wrote:
He pleaded guilty but thought it should not have gone to court. Says it all really ! Brunning999 always takes it one step further, you too are an idiot.
Really?

I bet your the same bloke that would be prepared to see someone die in a fire.

BECAUSE I BLOODY HAVE you are the idiot!
your the one that wants to kick the walking sticks from under a disabled person ? how am I the idiot. I don't give give a rats a-ss about what you've seen either.
[quote][p][bold]Brunning999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bazaarhorse[/bold] wrote: He pleaded guilty but thought it should not have gone to court. Says it all really ! Brunning999 always takes it one step further, you too are an idiot.[/p][/quote]Really? I bet your the same bloke that would be prepared to see someone die in a fire. BECAUSE I BLOODY HAVE you are the idiot![/p][/quote]your the one that wants to kick the walking sticks from under a disabled person ? how am I the idiot. I don't give give a rats a-ss about what you've seen either. bazaarhorse
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12:29pm Tue 8 May 12

nicknows says...

There is a locked door to an entrance lobby and then there would be a locked door to the flat.

I have no idea but the window they were after gaining access to might have been open. It appears to be open in the photograph so might well have been at the time

This couple might not be so happy another time if a delay in gaining access meant that a fire did break out and water hoses had to be used to put the fire out.

Water damage after a fire quite often causes more damage than the original fire.

The fire brigade have to gain access as quickly as possible causing the least amount of damage. Because these flats have been built for a number of years the fire brigade would have a good idea of the layout and the front door could well not have been the best point of entry.

At least there was a working smoke alarm.

They should consider themselves lucky to have gotten off with such a small fine.

Would love to know what their surrounding neighbours think of them.
There is a locked door to an entrance lobby and then there would be a locked door to the flat. I have no idea but the window they were after gaining access to might have been open. It appears to be open in the photograph so might well have been at the time This couple might not be so happy another time if a delay in gaining access meant that a fire did break out and water hoses had to be used to put the fire out. Water damage after a fire quite often causes more damage than the original fire. The fire brigade have to gain access as quickly as possible causing the least amount of damage. Because these flats have been built for a number of years the fire brigade would have a good idea of the layout and the front door could well not have been the best point of entry. At least there was a working smoke alarm. They should consider themselves lucky to have gotten off with such a small fine. Would love to know what their surrounding neighbours think of them. nicknows
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12:30pm Tue 8 May 12

meldrew84 says...

what a selfish little plonker......and put the walking sticks away mate, its not buying u any sympathy. cretin
what a selfish little plonker......and put the walking sticks away mate, its not buying u any sympathy. cretin meldrew84
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12:38pm Tue 8 May 12

Tom from Southend says...

What a prat, what a waste of space. Ask not what others can do for you, but what you can do for others.
What a prat, what a waste of space. Ask not what others can do for you, but what you can do for others. Tom from Southend
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1:17pm Tue 8 May 12

quick one says...

Dids wrote:
quick one wrote:
dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end
What a fool you are,I havnt mentioned this before but i am a retired firefighter and to you and anyone else on a "Fireground" and that means anywhere the fire brigade are in attendance we have total control,I suggest you read my post 2 posts above this, Then shut up
do one little man
[quote][p][bold]Dids[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]quick one[/bold] wrote: dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end[/p][/quote]What a fool you are,I havnt mentioned this before but i am a retired firefighter and to you and anyone else on a "Fireground" and that means anywhere the fire brigade are in attendance we have total control,I suggest you read my post 2 posts above this, Then shut up[/p][/quote]do one little man quick one
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1:37pm Tue 8 May 12

Jesslca says...

LibbyJ wrote:
Whilst I abhore the behaviour, lack of co-operation, selfishness, etc., etc., of this couple, I can't help wondering why no-one has picked up on the fact that the firemen could have gained access to the flat through the front door....
There was no one in so I doubt the door was open..
[quote][p][bold]LibbyJ[/bold] wrote: Whilst I abhore the behaviour, lack of co-operation, selfishness, etc., etc., of this couple, I can't help wondering why no-one has picked up on the fact that the firemen could have gained access to the flat through the front door....[/p][/quote]There was no one in so I doubt the door was open.. Jesslca
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1:46pm Tue 8 May 12

steve@eastwood says...

After reading the above posts it's more than apparent who are the decent people that pass comments on this forum and also far easier to identify the "usual" idiots that are either wind up merchants or as is more likely, are to stupid to comprehend decent behaviour.
After reading the above posts it's more than apparent who are the decent people that pass comments on this forum and also far easier to identify the "usual" idiots that are either wind up merchants or as is more likely, are to stupid to comprehend decent behaviour. steve@eastwood
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1:56pm Tue 8 May 12

The Soldier in White says...

The only ridiculous thing about this fine is that it wasn't accompanied by a custodial sentence and/or driving licence endorsement. If you can't move a car in an emergency then you shouldn't be allowed on the road. Prize pikeys the pair of them !
The only ridiculous thing about this fine is that it wasn't accompanied by a custodial sentence and/or driving licence endorsement. If you can't move a car in an emergency then you shouldn't be allowed on the road. Prize pikeys the pair of them ! The Soldier in White
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5:29pm Tue 8 May 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

just wondering steve, who you think are the wind up merchants on this topic ? apart from the Kingstons of course!
just wondering steve, who you think are the wind up merchants on this topic ? apart from the Kingstons of course! naughtyladyofshadylane
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7:20pm Tue 8 May 12

Last Poster says...

SaveOurStanford wrote:
What realy P155es me off this guy who is probally getting disabilty allowances, careers allowance, free car disabled scheme, tax, parking & Congestion charges, Free scooters and sticks and a Pensions all paid by me and others taxes is so selfish not to move his car in an emergancy when wifey was ready for bed yet can send his wife to bingo !!! What a knucke shuffle !!! Hope someone returns the favour to you .
D'you know, I've a suspicion about you having a chip on your shoulder.

The only thing I will pick up on your comment though is the "Pensions all paid for by me and others." Would you enlighten me as to how that works? I though, obviously wrongly, that state pensions were qualified by people working a few years, usually around 50, and paying for their own pension. However, if you know an easier way, don't hold hesitate to tell me so I can get one of those! Or are you one of those plonkers who thinks council houses were paid for by the well-offs taxes, whilst in fact they were paid for many times over by the tenants, who handed them back for nothing at the end of their lives!

Other than that, if the fire brigade want a hand moving a car belonging to the likes of this grouch, send for me, I'll move it, and give them another fire to put out when I have!
[quote][p][bold]SaveOurStanford[/bold] wrote: What realy P155es me off this guy who is probally getting disabilty allowances, careers allowance, free car disabled scheme, tax, parking & Congestion charges, Free scooters and sticks and a Pensions all paid by me and others taxes is so selfish not to move his car in an emergancy when wifey was ready for bed yet can send his wife to bingo !!! What a knucke shuffle !!! Hope someone returns the favour to you .[/p][/quote]D'you know, I've a suspicion about you having a chip on your shoulder. The only thing I will pick up on your comment though is the "Pensions all paid for by me and others." Would you enlighten me as to how that works? I though, obviously wrongly, that state pensions were qualified by people working a few years, usually around 50, and paying for their own pension. However, if you know an easier way, don't hold hesitate to tell me so I can get one of those! Or are you one of those plonkers who thinks council houses were paid for by the well-offs taxes, whilst in fact they were paid for many times over by the tenants, who handed them back for nothing at the end of their lives! Other than that, if the fire brigade want a hand moving a car belonging to the likes of this grouch, send for me, I'll move it, and give them another fire to put out when I have! Last Poster
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8:14pm Tue 8 May 12

Mikeyzaz says...

Nebs wrote:
A full time carer, who had just got back from bingo.
HEHEHE
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: A full time carer, who had just got back from bingo.[/p][/quote]HEHEHE Mikeyzaz
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8:16pm Tue 8 May 12

Mikeyzaz says...

keithrg wrote:
The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments.
Imbecile. He WAS in. That's the point.
[quote][p][bold]keithrg[/bold] wrote: The cars on his property wh should he move it. WTF would they have done if he wasnt in. If he was parked on a fire hydrent or causing willful obstruction with or without intent then fair enough. In future he probably wont even answer the door then he wont get charged. I mean personally Id have slung the fireman my keys at them and let them move it. Really who ever called the fire brigade should be charged for false call. Whilst they where checking out a flat battery someone somewhere could have been dieing. It rubbish followed by more rubbish, followed by more rubbish comments.[/p][/quote]Imbecile. He WAS in. That's the point. Mikeyzaz
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8:17pm Tue 8 May 12

Mikeyzaz says...

keithrg wrote:
What if the car was on axle stands ect ect. There was alternatives and the should have used them. The Fire brigade Turned up Unpreppared.
Hello? Hello? Is anybody Home? It wasn't on axle stands was it? Wow! What if it was at a different address? What would they have done then?
[quote][p][bold]keithrg[/bold] wrote: What if the car was on axle stands ect ect. There was alternatives and the should have used them. The Fire brigade Turned up Unpreppared.[/p][/quote]Hello? Hello? Is anybody Home? It wasn't on axle stands was it? Wow! What if it was at a different address? What would they have done then? Mikeyzaz
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8:20pm Tue 8 May 12

Mikeyzaz says...

quick one wrote:
dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end
I agree. Don't pay. Go to prison instead and take Quick one with you; for a quick one..........
[quote][p][bold]quick one[/bold] wrote: dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end[/p][/quote]I agree. Don't pay. Go to prison instead and take Quick one with you; for a quick one.......... Mikeyzaz
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8:24pm Tue 8 May 12

girlie71 says...

i bet this couple didnt bank on almost everyone thinking that they deserved what they got .. i dont think i would have gone public with this one .. maybe they thought they would get the sympathy vote .. sad really to use a disability in this manner ..
i bet this couple didnt bank on almost everyone thinking that they deserved what they got .. i dont think i would have gone public with this one .. maybe they thought they would get the sympathy vote .. sad really to use a disability in this manner .. girlie71
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8:54pm Tue 8 May 12

steve@eastwood says...

quick one wrote:
dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end
You have had a war with whom? The Fire Service, The Police or the courts? Maybe all of them, please enlighten us.
[quote][p][bold]quick one[/bold] wrote: dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end[/p][/quote]You have had a war with whom? The Fire Service, The Police or the courts? Maybe all of them, please enlighten us. steve@eastwood
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9:14pm Tue 8 May 12

King El says...

quick one wrote:
dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end
And there was me thinking Mr. Kingston was the prize prat. At least he had the good sense to plead guilty !
[quote][p][bold]quick one[/bold] wrote: dont pay the fine its your car on your drive i no what they are like as ive had wars with them they think they are the law dont pay you will win in the end[/p][/quote]And there was me thinking Mr. Kingston was the prize prat. At least he had the good sense to plead guilty ! King El
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9:22pm Tue 8 May 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

yes steve that is interesting you asking quick one, he is not living up to his name in his response is he ? Save our standard wasn't only mentioning state pension, (reply to lastposter) so agree, its the other items that he states paid for by him, meaning tax payers!!
yes steve that is interesting you asking quick one, he is not living up to his name in his response is he ? Save our standard wasn't only mentioning state pension, (reply to lastposter) so agree, its the other items that he states paid for by him, meaning tax payers!! naughtyladyofshadylane
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11:00pm Tue 8 May 12

Nebs says...

Why is one of the Sky TV dishes pointing a different way to the other five?
Why is one of the Sky TV dishes pointing a different way to the other five? Nebs
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8:27am Wed 9 May 12

muffindamule says...

Nebs wrote:
Why is one of the Sky TV dishes pointing a different way to the other five?
That belongs to the Kingstons. They live on another planet.
[quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: Why is one of the Sky TV dishes pointing a different way to the other five?[/p][/quote]That belongs to the Kingstons. They live on another planet. muffindamule
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8:40am Wed 9 May 12

Leighdweller says...

Mr Kingston represents al that is wrong with this country I'm afraid.

- Refusal to help his neighbours
- Refusal to help the emergency services
- Leaching of the state for benefits

What sort of example are they setting?

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to get some sort of compensation for the 'trauma' hes been caused.

This sort of person gets on my nerves!
Mr Kingston represents al that is wrong with this country I'm afraid. - Refusal to help his neighbours - Refusal to help the emergency services - Leaching of the state for benefits What sort of example are they setting? I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to get some sort of compensation for the 'trauma' hes been caused. This sort of person gets on my nerves! Leighdweller
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10:16am Wed 9 May 12

andyh says...

muffindamule wrote:
Nebs wrote:
Why is one of the Sky TV dishes pointing a different way to the other five?
That belongs to the Kingstons. They live on another planet.
I wonder if belongs to the upstairs neighbour in question - it is not a Sky dish but is pointing further East, probably at a satelite that broadcasts to Eastern Europe or the Middle East.

The collection of aerials, including dishes, visible also looks to be in excess of the number permitted by the planning laws without special permission.
[quote][p][bold]muffindamule[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nebs[/bold] wrote: Why is one of the Sky TV dishes pointing a different way to the other five?[/p][/quote]That belongs to the Kingstons. They live on another planet.[/p][/quote]I wonder if belongs to the upstairs neighbour in question - it is not a Sky dish but is pointing further East, probably at a satelite that broadcasts to Eastern Europe or the Middle East. The collection of aerials, including dishes, visible also looks to be in excess of the number permitted by the planning laws without special permission. andyh
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11:16am Wed 9 May 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

i am wondering have all the posters that have seen these sky/not sky dishes been to the property, as i cannot see any dishes in my picture. Any other pictures anywhere ?
i am wondering have all the posters that have seen these sky/not sky dishes been to the property, as i cannot see any dishes in my picture. Any other pictures anywhere ? naughtyladyofshadylane
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12:42pm Wed 9 May 12

andyh says...

naughtyladyofshadyla
ne
wrote:
i am wondering have all the posters that have seen these sky/not sky dishes been to the property, as i cannot see any dishes in my picture. Any other pictures anywhere ?
If you look on the photo at the top of the article you will see on the building:

Above Mrs Kingston's right shoulder - 2 dishes, 1 Sky (or Freesat), 1 other.

Above the centre of the Windscreen of their car - 2 Sky (or Freesat) Dishes.

Slightly to the left of those - 2 more dishes. One only just visible over the car, and another at the level of the narrow windows. Both likely Sky (or Freesat).

You might be able to see them also on Google Streetview, but I haven't been able to work out the location - Mellow Purgess Close seems to be a rather long and convoluted road.
[quote][p][bold]naughtyladyofshadyla ne[/bold] wrote: i am wondering have all the posters that have seen these sky/not sky dishes been to the property, as i cannot see any dishes in my picture. Any other pictures anywhere ?[/p][/quote]If you look on the photo at the top of the article you will see on the building: Above Mrs Kingston's right shoulder - 2 dishes, 1 Sky (or Freesat), 1 other. Above the centre of the Windscreen of their car - 2 Sky (or Freesat) Dishes. Slightly to the left of those - 2 more dishes. One only just visible over the car, and another at the level of the narrow windows. Both likely Sky (or Freesat). You might be able to see them also on Google Streetview, but I haven't been able to work out the location - Mellow Purgess Close seems to be a rather long and convoluted road. andyh
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12:53pm Wed 9 May 12

saddo99 says...

I shouldn't respond to your post as you are quite clearly barking mad, BUT if you look at the picture again you will see at least five dishes and possibly six!
I shouldn't respond to your post as you are quite clearly barking mad, BUT if you look at the picture again you will see at least five dishes and possibly six! saddo99
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5:27pm Wed 9 May 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

OMG my apologies i was looking at the roof for aerials, I did not have my glasses nor the light on when i wrote that and am afraid the dishes just blended in. Soreeeee. No, I am not barking mad, nor am I a saddoo!! To andy h thank you XX p s - to others - we dont know which is his property do we? If he is reading perhaps he will tell us how many dishes he has??
OMG my apologies i was looking at the roof for aerials, I did not have my glasses nor the light on when i wrote that and am afraid the dishes just blended in. Soreeeee. No, I am not barking mad, nor am I a saddoo!! To andy h thank you XX p s - to others - we dont know which is his property do we? If he is reading perhaps he will tell us how many dishes he has?? naughtyladyofshadylane
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5:37pm Wed 9 May 12

ChampKind says...

Selfish berk.
Selfish berk. ChampKind
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5:48pm Wed 9 May 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

who is? (just for the record) Mr K ?
who is? (just for the record) Mr K ? naughtyladyofshadylane
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6:02pm Wed 9 May 12

saddo99 says...

naughtyladyofshadyla
ne
wrote:
who is? (just for the record) Mr K ?
I take it Shady Lane is near Runwell! Best stick to reading something more in your intellectual field, like The Sun.
[quote][p][bold]naughtyladyofshadyla ne[/bold] wrote: who is? (just for the record) Mr K ?[/p][/quote]I take it Shady Lane is near Runwell! Best stick to reading something more in your intellectual field, like The Sun. saddo99
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9:52pm Wed 9 May 12

Cowpatrectus says...

If a fireman/woman asks someone to move a car on (regardless of your own thoughts).. there's usually a very good reason. These highly skilled professionnal people take risks almost every day of their working lives to help all those in need.
May I suggest something to both Mr & Mrs Kingston: if neither of you were in a position to be able to move the car out, a quick fix would have cleared the affair in 5 seconds. Why didn't you just hand your car key to the Fireman on your door-step to move your car ? I don't understand your motives, be it otherwise obstination & in which case maybe you deserved the fine that you got. Sorry, the public sector workers, who work to help US, should be shown a little respect.
If a fireman/woman asks someone to move a car on (regardless of your own thoughts).. there's usually a very good reason. These highly skilled professionnal people take risks almost every day of their working lives to help all those in need. May I suggest something to both Mr & Mrs Kingston: if neither of you were in a position to be able to move the car out, a quick fix would have cleared the affair in 5 seconds. Why didn't you just hand your car key to the Fireman on your door-step to move your car ? I don't understand your motives, be it otherwise obstination & in which case maybe you deserved the fine that you got. Sorry, the public sector workers, who work to help US, should be shown a little respect. Cowpatrectus
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2:21pm Thu 10 May 12

Seasider90 says...

Mr Kingston and his wife have won community neighbour of the year award. God help them if they have a fire and expect local neighbours to help. Selfish, nasty unhelpful idiots - I hope their neighbours let them know how they feel about them. And to those defending them - well you're just scum and dont fit into the category of decent human beings.
Mr Kingston and his wife have won community neighbour of the year award. God help them if they have a fire and expect local neighbours to help. Selfish, nasty unhelpful idiots - I hope their neighbours let them know how they feel about them. And to those defending them - well you're just scum and dont fit into the category of decent human beings. Seasider90
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5:03pm Thu 10 May 12

Lefty Cyclist Type says...

What an incredibly selfish individual. The Fire Service should have just tied a rope to it and pulled it out the way. Then let it be taken to be crushed.
What an incredibly selfish individual. The Fire Service should have just tied a rope to it and pulled it out the way. Then let it be taken to be crushed. Lefty Cyclist Type
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5:19pm Thu 10 May 12

RogerChasewood says...

The thing that I find really strange was did he actually go to the Echo as he felt hard done by and expected some sympathy?Total selfish idiot. He should be grateful they let him off so lightly with a paltry fine
The thing that I find really strange was did he actually go to the Echo as he felt hard done by and expected some sympathy?Total selfish idiot. He should be grateful they let him off so lightly with a paltry fine RogerChasewood
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3:28pm Fri 11 May 12

Trainman says...

WHO cared for him while his wife was at Bingo???

IF she gets carers allowance, it SHOULD be stopped, Pronto.

I cared for my late Wonderful Wife, but never got paid, OR left her unless she agreed to me going out.

I too have seen the death of a person following a fire, and it was NASTY.

ANY person obstructing ANY Emergency vehicle answering ANY Emergency, should be HEAVILY Fined.
WHO cared for him while his wife was at Bingo??? IF she gets carers allowance, it SHOULD be stopped, Pronto. I cared for my late Wonderful Wife, but never got paid, OR left her unless she agreed to me going out. I too have seen the death of a person following a fire, and it was NASTY. ANY person obstructing ANY Emergency vehicle answering ANY Emergency, should be HEAVILY Fined. Trainman
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6:45pm Fri 11 May 12

Nivekc1976 says...

Bet he moved his car for the SKY man to put his ladder up.... 30secs to move the car and this fool refuses, I'd be embarrased
Bet he moved his car for the SKY man to put his ladder up.... 30secs to move the car and this fool refuses, I'd be embarrased Nivekc1976
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7:55pm Fri 11 May 12

naughtyladyofshadylane says...

saddo 99 get off my case . I was not asking you !!!
saddo 99 get off my case . I was not asking you !!! naughtyladyofshadylane
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8:52pm Fri 11 May 12

Diannah says...

Absolutely shocked at their attitude. I wonder if they would be happy for their neighbours to disregard an alarm coming from their own house. Let's just hope they are more thoughtful when they park on public roads and display their blue badge.
Absolutely shocked at their attitude. I wonder if they would be happy for their neighbours to disregard an alarm coming from their own house. Let's just hope they are more thoughtful when they park on public roads and display their blue badge. Diannah
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